Dear Haskell Musry, wow you are quite disturbed. It is you who seams to be in a lot of pain. Are you sure you have any Hebrew blood running in your vain, or are you so confused you have started to think like the Arabs that you are the chosen? It seems you are condemning all Hebrews/Jews for your confusion of facts. It seems you belong to the ranks of self-loathing whatever you call yourself. PS you are all but acurate but then again I’m just misguided like the rest. But I shall pray for you and may God help you to see the truth.
Shalom

Very well said Gil. Erica needs to come back from fairy tale land back into reality.

Well, all the derogatory comments you can use may make you feel better but it won’t change anything. Self-loathing jews; obscene anti-semitic diatribes; demented citizens defaming their country; venomous anti-Semitic propaganda emanated from self-loathing Jews; traiters are thus appeasers; circulating such unverifiable defamatory allegations, demonization and delegitimization of Israel by Jews narcissistic personalities, opinionated, tormented souls with pretensions to omniscience and exclusive custodianship of virtue and truth, hermetically sealed to facts or reason or any one else’s right to freedom of expression – in short, totalitarians; self-loving antisemites ‘of Jewish background,. – this is all your language above. Frothing a bit I would say.

Wow you have my sympathy. You guys are in such pain. Well I am a Jew who spent many years in the Zionist youth movement, several as a madrich, in Sydney. It was a long hard decision to conclude that the foundation of Israel was an enormous mistake and a tragedy for Arabs, most particularly Palestinians, and Jews alike. Israel is now a degenerate, war mongering, apartheid colonial implant. (My own language, I consider it accurate. I am talking about the state, not individuals such as yourselves, misguided as you may be.)

If I was a self-loathing jew would I so openly and proudly identify myself as a person who rejects zionism and opposes Israeli war crimes and crimes against humanity? Do you really think I am an anti-semite? Are all us jews in Jews Against the Occupation (JAO) anti-semites?

Erica,

Thanks for the lecture.
Whether you like the term or not, treason is treason. There are no shades of grey in what these people, mentioned by Isi, are doing.

Your legalistic mantra about “licences” is a guarantee that things go round and round in circles getting nowhere. In your own words you say: “you can’t expect to keep doing the same thing over and over and get a different outcome.”

At least my response is clear. If one commits acts of treason then one can expect to be incarcerated.

Israel, a country facing existential threats day in day out, should not act like a nation of bleeding heart social workers, forever excusing anyone and everyone for any act of aggression be it physical or otherwise.

Gil: Whilst your sentiment is (usually) in tact, in this case, you raise suspicion. Your dogma is not helpful. “What the hell is wrong with Jews”? Acts of Treason? (And your line with regard to Freedom of Speech is where?)”Jewish trash”? (So it’s OK for you to belittle and denigrate, but not them?) “Clear the Swamp”? Need I tell you what this sounds like?

No, Gil, you need to stop running your mouth – or would that be fingers? There are supporters of Israel who are reading this – both Jewish and non-Jewish who are nice ppl and who do not need to be reading your not-so passive-aggression.

There are hundreds of reasons why people turn against their own. (I have two Jewish neighbours who consistently and with much alacrity de-nounce Jews and make it known to all they talk to that Judaism/Israel leaves much to be desired. When I correct them and their assertions they back down for a minute or two but are at again next day). People who make it their business to speak ill of Israel are usually both bullies and cowards – alternating when a propitious moment presents itself. They do not represent the majority – it just feels like it because they have a louder and more insidious voice. Like Isi indicates, these ppl do more damage than a land-mine.

Me thinks the way to deal with these groups who continue to bash Israel, who continue to try to persuade the world about bad things that Israel does is to deprive them of the very oxygen they need to survive. That would be Money and Legal Means. To my mind, these groups SHOULD NOT be able to speak out without a license. No license, no speak. (Like the busker in the street). And if they speak out WITHOUT a license they will then have to prove/substantiate themselves and their claims – to a democratic court of law.. Charge them with Treason? That is anachronistic. Treat what they are saying more like libel, slander, deformation, etc. Change the Freedom of Speech laws to reflect these issues. Defame the Jews or Israel (any country really) and they face prosecution, a hefty fine, a criminal record and hours of education – unless,of course, they can substantiate their assertions. That will be pretty difficult for them these days. Very few ppl like the idea of spending time in a penitentiary full of REAL criminals. They quickly keep their opinions to themselves.

Which clever person once said, you can’t expect to keep doing the same thing over and over and get a different outcome?

Something SUBSTANTIAL has to change. These out-spoken people must be stopped. History has already begun to repeat itself.

Isi, make it MORE of your business to be a change agent. You have the ability, skills and talent to make SUBSTANTIAL changes. Don’t stop at just reporting facts that we already know. To people who already know them. Be a change agent. And if you can’t – speak to people who can. You’ve been around long enough to know the people who can get the ball rolling. We need every country with a democratic Legal System to pay attention to this issue. At this point, we have the tail wagging the dog. If something doesn’t change about our world we will have a Nazi regime all over again. Only this time it won’t look like Stalag 13.

This is a well written piece about the self-loathing Jews.

You say: “Tens of millions of euros originate from European governments, including the United Kingdom, which would never conceivably tolerate such foreign interference in its own domestic arena by external organizations.”

If a foreign government “would never conceivably tolerate” such interference, why is it that Israel does so?
What the hell is wrong with Jews that they can never do the obvious?

The simple facts of life are that the self loathing Jews within Israel are committing acts of treason for which they should be incarcerated with the keys thrown away.

Why not, someone like yourself with the level of influence you have in political circles in Israel, advocate for harsh measures for all acts of treason committed by any citizen. You say the State must defend itself but it never will unless there is a groundswell of opinion in Israel channelled to advocate for just that.

As far as Rabbi Woolstone’s comment that your piece should go viral so that Jews who are faltering on the side of our enemies can rethink their position, misses one crucial reality. The Jewish trash we are referring to here will never rethink anything. Severe penalties should be in place for acts of treason against a nation under constant existential threats. It is time for the swamp to be cleared.

From the propaganda angle, too, my suggested term is more useful since not many people would accept the notion of self-hate; objectively it exists, but it is counter-intuitive, so lacks credibility.