It would appear that I am being denied the opportunity to address my accuser, unable to reply.

1. I watched the suspect interview with Arabic Speaking Friends
2. Any analysis of body language would show the Hamas official to be flustered and grasping at straws ie the claims of numbers are clearly false and lies
3. My Arabic speaking friends stated that the transcript was a quite inaccurate and misleading translation

Not once have you even attempted to answer the question. Is 13,000 casualties to 1 not disproportionate?

If you believe it not to be disproportionate, you obviously believe that one scratched IDF Soldier is worth more than 130 Palestinian lives and 13,000 injuries.

If that is the case, you obviously believe in the superiority of Jewish citizens of Israel, a very slippery slope to engage on.

I wonder whether your continued snipe at tiny points of what I am saying does in fact say more about your own credibility and integrity.

Gavin

Now you argue – the transcript is “suspect”. Substantiate your allegation.

You then claim – ” that it was a gift to Zionism and supporters of Israel at all costs.” No Gavin it was proof that you were a liar and dissembler anxious to besmirch and denigrate Israel based on false statements made by you.

I repeat – you have no credibility or integrity.

David. When I first saw the suspect transcript of the interview with the Hamas official, I believed then, as I do now, that it was a gift to Zionism and supporters of Israel at all costs.
It is not a valid official statement but it allows people like you to get outraged at the NZ Prime Minister for stating the obvious logical conclusion. One that has been reached by many people of Jewish faith around the world.
What happened inside the Gaza “border” was a disproportionate use of force against unarmed civilians.

As for my credibility, I will leave you with this.

Prior to this gift of a suspect transcript, the best intelligence service in the world could only identify less than 20 of the 111 to that point who were Hamas. But in constantly attacking my comments you conveniently omit what you know of the actual state of play prior to that interview.
And as I have pointed out. Whether Hamas,Islamic Jihad or any other group was involved, the targeting of unarmed civilians with live rounds inside their own border was than as it is still now disproportionate.

Gavin

There is no point trying to have any discussion with persons who lack credibility and integrity and who fail to apologise and withdraw when they are caught out making false statements – as has been clearly the case with you.

You had your opportunity to apologise for and withdraw your false statements but failed to do so. Live with the consequences.

One could say the same regarding yourself David.

Not once have you addressed the basic argument.

How is 13,000 Casualties to 1 not disproportionate.

Any person of logic would have to admit that.

Or is logic suspended when one supports Israel.

The excuses for excessive use of force are wearing thin. So thin that the Knesset is debating s law making it illegal to film or broadcast the evidence of excessive force.

Gavin

Your failure to withdraw your offensive and untruthful comments stamps you as a person lacking credibility or integrity.

Nothing to apologize for.
Your “transcript” is highly suspect. I have viewed the interview with Atlrabic speaking friends who cslled BS when this transcript was released.

The bottom line of this whole narrative is disproportionate. Regardless of Hamas. Regardless of Islanic Jihad, innocent unarmed civilians including 2 press and 2 paramedics were killed. Others shot in the back.

1 soldier had a bandaid applied when struck with a pebble.
How is that not disproportionate.

Gavin

You continue to dissemble and deceive when asking:
“Now tell me where is the evidence that 83% of the 13,000 + Casualties were Hamas members.”

This continues in the vein of your earlier false statement:
“As for ZFNZ saying 83% of Casualties were Hamas. That is obvious propaganda.”

The facts are:
1. The ZFNZ statement said:
“It is inconceivable to accuse Israel of “excessive, disproportionate and indiscriminate use of force” when Hamas and Islamic Jihad themselves have admitted that 85% of those killed where (sic) their own operatives, and that their women and children would sacrificed to prevent normalisation of relations with Israel.”

Get it? 85% of those “killed” were Hamas operatives – not 83% of the casualties as you falsely state.

2. As to your further misleading claim:
“Anyone who actually watched that interview will clearly see that the number was plucked out of thin air as he was constantly being berated that Hamas was sending innocent people to their deaths.”

Here is a transcript of the interview that exposes the falsity of your claim:

Interviewer: “Many people are saying that the children… I’m telling you what people are saying. It’s not that I believe this. People are saying that children are dying and that Hamas is reaping the fruits.”
Salah Al-Bardawil: “In the last round, there were 62 martyrs.”
Interviewer: “Right.”
Salah Al-Bardawil: “50 of the martyrs were from Hamas, and the other 12 were regular people. So how can anyone claim that Hamas is reaping the fruits, when it paid such a steep price? What did Hamas gain? 50 martyrs…”
Interviewer: “This figure is…”
Salah Al-Bardawil: “I am giving you an official figure. 50 of the martyrs in the recent battle were from Hamas. Before that, at least 50% of the martyrs were from Hamas. So what did Hamas gain from this?”

Really Gavin – I find your refusal to withdraw your comments indefensible, offensive and quite frankly disgusting.

Man up, do the right thing and apologise.

I will not withdraw.
Anyone who actually watched that interview will clearly see that the number was plucked out of thin air as he was constantly being berated that Hamas was sending innocent people to their deaths.
Now tell me where is the evidence that 83% of the 13,000 + Casualties were Hamas members.
And tell me 5 slight injuries to IDF soldiers does not represent an incredibly one sided encounter.
It seems to me that one IDF soldier is worth 3,000 innocent Palestinians.
That suggests a belief in racial superiority.