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		By: ted markstein		</title>
		<link>https://www.jwire.com.au/the-time-has-come-to-consider-drastic-action/#comment-163442</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ted markstein]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2015 07:04:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.jwire.com.au/the-time-has-come-to-consider-drastic-action/#comment-163418&quot;&gt;Paul Winter&lt;/a&gt;.

Thank you for your assessment of what I would be doing, based on no knowledge whatsoever of what I actually do. Is this some arcane magical talent you imagine you possess? I fear it&#039;s merely more pass the parcel rhetoric. In being opposed to Zionism and its bloodthirsty proponents (&quot;reduce Gaza and its occupants to rubble&quot; etc) I am standing with all jews who are shamed by the conduct of these extremist Zionist fanatics. Not in our name. fyi I oppose vocally and in writing all of your fellows in oppression that you have listed. You, of course, demand a free pass for Zionism. So tell me how &quot;well, look how bad these other guys are&quot; is a defense for anything. And you might just examine the validity of employing personal abuse in lieu of argument.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.jwire.com.au/the-time-has-come-to-consider-drastic-action/#comment-163418">Paul Winter</a>.</p>
<p>Thank you for your assessment of what I would be doing, based on no knowledge whatsoever of what I actually do. Is this some arcane magical talent you imagine you possess? I fear it&#8217;s merely more pass the parcel rhetoric. In being opposed to Zionism and its bloodthirsty proponents (&#8220;reduce Gaza and its occupants to rubble&#8221; etc) I am standing with all jews who are shamed by the conduct of these extremist Zionist fanatics. Not in our name. fyi I oppose vocally and in writing all of your fellows in oppression that you have listed. You, of course, demand a free pass for Zionism. So tell me how &#8220;well, look how bad these other guys are&#8221; is a defense for anything. And you might just examine the validity of employing personal abuse in lieu of argument.</p>
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		By: Paul Winter		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Paul Winter]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2015 04:13:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.jwire.com.au/the-time-has-come-to-consider-drastic-action/#comment-163279&quot;&gt;Gil Solomon&lt;/a&gt;.

Well said Gil. One point you leave out and so does Isi and various so-called peace activists: Israel is at war. The Arabs - mohammedan and Christian alike - have made war on Israel from before Israel was established. That no nation or organisation like the UN or EU gives Israel credit for its democratic processes despite the on-going war tell you all that needs to be known about the world&#039;s attitude to Jews.

What you are proposing in response to Isi&#039;s wishy-washy much belated comments is that Israel should impose war time measures which restrict certain rights. I think that you will agree with me that Israel does not need a military dictatorship. What it does need is what you suggest, plus closing down NGOs hostile to the nation, expelling EU and UN entities hostile to Israel, removing High Court justices who show bias against Jews and Israel, replacing police and military leaders who put their politics ahead of their duties and their nation, expel the PA and retake Gaza and expe hostile Arabs in the north of Israel but take in Christian and Yazidi refugees in Syria and Jordan.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.jwire.com.au/the-time-has-come-to-consider-drastic-action/#comment-163279">Gil Solomon</a>.</p>
<p>Well said Gil. One point you leave out and so does Isi and various so-called peace activists: Israel is at war. The Arabs &#8211; mohammedan and Christian alike &#8211; have made war on Israel from before Israel was established. That no nation or organisation like the UN or EU gives Israel credit for its democratic processes despite the on-going war tell you all that needs to be known about the world&#8217;s attitude to Jews.</p>
<p>What you are proposing in response to Isi&#8217;s wishy-washy much belated comments is that Israel should impose war time measures which restrict certain rights. I think that you will agree with me that Israel does not need a military dictatorship. What it does need is what you suggest, plus closing down NGOs hostile to the nation, expelling EU and UN entities hostile to Israel, removing High Court justices who show bias against Jews and Israel, replacing police and military leaders who put their politics ahead of their duties and their nation, expel the PA and retake Gaza and expe hostile Arabs in the north of Israel but take in Christian and Yazidi refugees in Syria and Jordan.</p>
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		By: Dr Aviel Sheyin-Stevens		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dr Aviel Sheyin-Stevens]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2015 03:55:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Mr. Leibler&#039;s &quot;drastic steps&quot; would more likely &quot;curtail&quot; the Knesset and the government than achieve anything else.

He stated that &quot;the government would be well advised to consider creating a subcommittee comprising representatives from across the Zionist political spectrum to consensually determine security policies.&quot;


A subcommittee to &quot;determine security policies&quot; would usurp the legislature&#039;s sovereign authority to legislate on security matters, and the government&#039;s power to execute and enforce the instructions of the legislature accordingly.


All such commissions and committees in Israel end up being leftwing, with the appointment and removal of their members vested outside the control of the Knesset and the government. They also often force their will on elected leaders.


His subcommittee would be just another means through which the leftwing elites dominate Israel. It would invariably determine &quot;security policies&quot; from a leftwing perspective, which would be all about policies; achieving nothing on security.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Leibler&#8217;s &#8220;drastic steps&#8221; would more likely &#8220;curtail&#8221; the Knesset and the government than achieve anything else.</p>
<p>He stated that &#8220;the government would be well advised to consider creating a subcommittee comprising representatives from across the Zionist political spectrum to consensually determine security policies.&#8221;</p>
<p>A subcommittee to &#8220;determine security policies&#8221; would usurp the legislature&#8217;s sovereign authority to legislate on security matters, and the government&#8217;s power to execute and enforce the instructions of the legislature accordingly.</p>
<p>All such commissions and committees in Israel end up being leftwing, with the appointment and removal of their members vested outside the control of the Knesset and the government. They also often force their will on elected leaders.</p>
<p>His subcommittee would be just another means through which the leftwing elites dominate Israel. It would invariably determine &#8220;security policies&#8221; from a leftwing perspective, which would be all about policies; achieving nothing on security.</p>
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		By: Paul Winter		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2015 03:55:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.jwire.com.au/the-time-has-come-to-consider-drastic-action/#comment-163217&quot;&gt;ted markstein&lt;/a&gt;.

No Ted, you are not a self-hating Jew. You are a Jew - if you indeed are what you claim to be - who loves himself but hates all other Jews who do not swallow left wing antisemitic propaganda and lies in support of totalitarian fascist mohammedan Arabs. Like those Arabs you despise democracy. If you and those of your ilk were truly humanitarian you would be protesting against Hamas, the kleptocratic PA, ISIS, Saudia Arabia and Iran. You would be criticising Turkey for its treatment of a genuine people, the Kurds. You would speak up for the Yazidis and the Assyrians and all of the Christians persecuted by mohammedans. That you pick on the nation state of the Jewish people and blame it for wrongs it is not guilty of while ignoring real crimes against humanity and Western civilisation tell us all that we need to know to assess your credibility and binocular lack of perspicacity.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.jwire.com.au/the-time-has-come-to-consider-drastic-action/#comment-163217">ted markstein</a>.</p>
<p>No Ted, you are not a self-hating Jew. You are a Jew &#8211; if you indeed are what you claim to be &#8211; who loves himself but hates all other Jews who do not swallow left wing antisemitic propaganda and lies in support of totalitarian fascist mohammedan Arabs. Like those Arabs you despise democracy. If you and those of your ilk were truly humanitarian you would be protesting against Hamas, the kleptocratic PA, ISIS, Saudia Arabia and Iran. You would be criticising Turkey for its treatment of a genuine people, the Kurds. You would speak up for the Yazidis and the Assyrians and all of the Christians persecuted by mohammedans. That you pick on the nation state of the Jewish people and blame it for wrongs it is not guilty of while ignoring real crimes against humanity and Western civilisation tell us all that we need to know to assess your credibility and binocular lack of perspicacity.</p>
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		By: Gil Solomon		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gil Solomon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2015 23:01:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Isi, you say: “If we must curtail unlimited freedom of expression and irritate our global bleeding hearts to save Israeli lives — so be it.”

I’m glad that as a professional correspondent you are finally coming around, if not to my viewpoint, then to something in the direction of what I have been saying for years. However, the word “curtail” means nothing and unless you expand on what you mean by this term, you’re just blowing in the wind with diplomatic niceties that will get the country nowhere, just more endless chatter.

I have been saying for years that the so called “Israeli” Arab population is a fifth column ready to stab the nation (that foolishly showered them with citizenship without even an oath of allegiance in return) in the back at the opportune moment. Well that moment has arrived. Vast numbers of these people need to lose citizenship, face incarceration or deportation to Gaza or elsewhere, I really couldn’t give a damn.

If you’re serious about what you say on “curtailment”, then why don’t you spell it out for once. As you don’t appear capable of doing this, let me state what I would have liked you to have stated.

All foreign media need to be deported.
All leftist Israeli media (Ha’Aretz for example) need to be shut down.
The two state solution would be formally announced as dead and buried with Abbas, the PA and the Waqf unceremoniously repatriated to Gaza or Jordan. 
The Temple Mount be returned to sole Jewish control. 

The “Rules of Engagement” to be revised drastically and the insane “Purity of Arms” doctrine to be shredded.

In addition, in this scenario the Attorney General of Israel (Yehuda Weinstein) should   be placed under house arrest for treason for his role in undermining every attempt to install strong figures in strategic positions and being the one who insists that media, both foreign and domestic, must accompany the IDF in all ground operations.

Israel at the moment is at the crossroads and deserves a leadership that needs to take decisive and ferocious action against all enemies within and without.

Finally, I know you are a man of some influence, no doubt with access to the Prime Minister. Kindly tell him to cease immediately using that pathetic mantra “Israel has a right to defend itself”. Of course every nation has this fundamental right, but by using such words it has a negative stereotype implying Israel is begging for the world to please understand and grant permission for this fundamental right and duty of self defence. No other country on this planet would posture itself on the world stage like this,  when it comes to self defence. Can you imagine Putin babbling on like this?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Isi, you say: “If we must curtail unlimited freedom of expression and irritate our global bleeding hearts to save Israeli lives — so be it.”</p>
<p>I’m glad that as a professional correspondent you are finally coming around, if not to my viewpoint, then to something in the direction of what I have been saying for years. However, the word “curtail” means nothing and unless you expand on what you mean by this term, you’re just blowing in the wind with diplomatic niceties that will get the country nowhere, just more endless chatter.</p>
<p>I have been saying for years that the so called “Israeli” Arab population is a fifth column ready to stab the nation (that foolishly showered them with citizenship without even an oath of allegiance in return) in the back at the opportune moment. Well that moment has arrived. Vast numbers of these people need to lose citizenship, face incarceration or deportation to Gaza or elsewhere, I really couldn’t give a damn.</p>
<p>If you’re serious about what you say on “curtailment”, then why don’t you spell it out for once. As you don’t appear capable of doing this, let me state what I would have liked you to have stated.</p>
<p>All foreign media need to be deported.<br />
All leftist Israeli media (Ha’Aretz for example) need to be shut down.<br />
The two state solution would be formally announced as dead and buried with Abbas, the PA and the Waqf unceremoniously repatriated to Gaza or Jordan.<br />
The Temple Mount be returned to sole Jewish control. </p>
<p>The “Rules of Engagement” to be revised drastically and the insane “Purity of Arms” doctrine to be shredded.</p>
<p>In addition, in this scenario the Attorney General of Israel (Yehuda Weinstein) should   be placed under house arrest for treason for his role in undermining every attempt to install strong figures in strategic positions and being the one who insists that media, both foreign and domestic, must accompany the IDF in all ground operations.</p>
<p>Israel at the moment is at the crossroads and deserves a leadership that needs to take decisive and ferocious action against all enemies within and without.</p>
<p>Finally, I know you are a man of some influence, no doubt with access to the Prime Minister. Kindly tell him to cease immediately using that pathetic mantra “Israel has a right to defend itself”. Of course every nation has this fundamental right, but by using such words it has a negative stereotype implying Israel is begging for the world to please understand and grant permission for this fundamental right and duty of self defence. No other country on this planet would posture itself on the world stage like this,  when it comes to self defence. Can you imagine Putin babbling on like this?</p>
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		By: ted markstein		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ted markstein]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2015 08:26:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.jwire.com.au/the-time-has-come-to-consider-drastic-action/#comment-163128&quot;&gt;Gil Solomon&lt;/a&gt;.

Thank you for setting me straight with your facts and your assumptions. I am heartened that you would have reduced Gaza and its people to rubble. The future is bright in hands such as yours. By the way, you forgot to call me a self hating jew. Very remiss, I feel slighted.

In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is .. one-eyed.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.jwire.com.au/the-time-has-come-to-consider-drastic-action/#comment-163128">Gil Solomon</a>.</p>
<p>Thank you for setting me straight with your facts and your assumptions. I am heartened that you would have reduced Gaza and its people to rubble. The future is bright in hands such as yours. By the way, you forgot to call me a self hating jew. Very remiss, I feel slighted.</p>
<p>In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is .. one-eyed.</p>
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		By: Gil Solomon		</title>
		<link>https://www.jwire.com.au/the-time-has-come-to-consider-drastic-action/#comment-163128</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gil Solomon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2015 20:32:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.jwire.com.au/the-time-has-come-to-consider-drastic-action/#comment-163094&quot;&gt;ted markstein&lt;/a&gt;.

Ted,

For your information,Israel left Gaza years ago hoping foolishly for peace with these people but got chaos in the form of terrorism, missiles and eventual war instead. Either you are naïve and have no clue about historical facts or you are propagandist telling lies at every opportunity. If as I assume, you are a naïve leftist, then it&#039;s time to educate yourself to reality. How you will ever do that with your entrenched mind set, I have no idea.

And by the way, you talk about &quot;destroyed&quot;. In the recent war that was THRUST UPON IT a few years back Israel should have reacted harsher instead of ending it like it always does, that is prematurely and inconclusively. Rest assured that if it was up to me, there would have been nothing to &quot;rebuild&quot; as the entire enclave would have been reduced to rubble.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.jwire.com.au/the-time-has-come-to-consider-drastic-action/#comment-163094">ted markstein</a>.</p>
<p>Ted,</p>
<p>For your information,Israel left Gaza years ago hoping foolishly for peace with these people but got chaos in the form of terrorism, missiles and eventual war instead. Either you are naïve and have no clue about historical facts or you are propagandist telling lies at every opportunity. If as I assume, you are a naïve leftist, then it&#8217;s time to educate yourself to reality. How you will ever do that with your entrenched mind set, I have no idea.</p>
<p>And by the way, you talk about &#8220;destroyed&#8221;. In the recent war that was THRUST UPON IT a few years back Israel should have reacted harsher instead of ending it like it always does, that is prematurely and inconclusively. Rest assured that if it was up to me, there would have been nothing to &#8220;rebuild&#8221; as the entire enclave would have been reduced to rubble.</p>
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		By: ted markstein		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ted markstein]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2015 11:03:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[You could get out of Gaza. Maybe rebuild what you destroyed. Might be a start.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You could get out of Gaza. Maybe rebuild what you destroyed. Might be a start.</p>
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