Comments on: The Rabbi Says “Sorry”

By: Otto Waldmann

Otto Waldmann — Sat, 29 Jun 2013 04:43:41 +0000

Well sad, indeed, Dominic, but do us a favour, what on Earth is “collective conscience”. !!
Define it for us ! Can it also be simlar to collective high blood pressure, collective sense of smell, collective knowledge of correct terms, collective prostate glands etc. ? Or do I have to reduce myself to your level of lack of insight into the meaning of “collective” ethical apparisals !!

By: Otto Waldmann

Otto Waldmann — Tue, 25 Jun 2013 04:44:35 +0000

In reply to David.

Quite to the contrary, from what I have gathered, Rabbi Lesches has NOTHIN to apologise for.
One must look at the “material evidence ” intelligently to ralise that !!
It is all a beat up and the usual hienas are at it in full force.

As I said, the Rabbinical Council of Vic., this time have rushed to cause serious damage to lots of people and entities, including THEMSELVES !!!

By: David

David — Mon, 24 Jun 2013 23:19:55 +0000

Why is “sorry” in the headline in quotes? Are you suggesting it wasn’t a real apology?

By: Otto Waldmann

Otto Waldmann — Mon, 24 Jun 2013 10:24:10 +0000

Hang on a minute.
The entire reporting sources shown here is a complete mess.
1. Rabbi Baruch Dov Lesches states clearely that:
– he was reffering to two ADULTS, both 21 who aparently would have had something of the intimate nature between themselves. NO CHILDREN INVOLVED !!!

– he clearly states that he”.. was never informed of any allegations regarding minor prior to this ( sic ) call.”.
We must clarify which “this call” he is talking about and also if , during that (this) call child abuse was mentioned and the Rabbi made any objectionable statements concerning the distinct case discussed during “the ” call about child sex abuses. We must also clarify what “subsequent” call the Rabbi is mentioning.

From the Rabbi Lesches statement one may deduct that Rabbi Lesches would NOT have made any objectionable comments during any telephone conversation. The good Rabbi states that those who allowed the “story” to reach the media should have called him directly to hear his version of the conversation(s) that took place.
There is a possibility that Rabbi Lesches said nothing objectionable.
I think that, if that were the case, RCV condemnation of Rabbi Lesches is totally unacceptable, unjust.
A statememnt in principle is one matter, accusing by implication a Rabbi of unbeccoming conduct without consulting AT THE SOURCE the facts in unacceptable, if that were the case.
Rabbi Kluwgant must clarify what reliable information prompted him to make such serious statements about another Rabbi’s conduct.

By: ben

ben — Mon, 24 Jun 2013 07:29:55 +0000

all rabbis are now promoting “GO TO THE POLICE”

is this window dressing ? what did Rabbi Baruch Dov Lesches teach as rosh of the yeshivah gedolla?

By: gabrielle

gabrielle — Mon, 24 Jun 2013 07:24:19 +0000

In reply to Dominic. well said Dominic

By: kush

kush — Mon, 24 Jun 2013 07:10:16 +0000

So the real story is that an “alleged victim” edited his phone call with Rabbi Lesches, then twisted and perverted the words of Rabbi Lesches to promote publicity to his campaign and to bash the entire orthodox Jewish community.

As always the great publicity and damage is done. The cause has been served. And when the media apologizes for their “misquotes” it is a short statement which nobody bothers reading. (the same as the australian several weeks ago)

Pathetic!

By: Dominic

Dominic — Mon, 24 Jun 2013 04:28:21 +0000

As a victim of child sexual abuse it seems funny to me that most abusers are often either in a position of religious aurthority or very religious themselves, always deeply repentant and sorry for their sins but always seek absolution in some form of confession then after the act of contrition in their minds they are free to do it all over again. The sooner we all loose the crutch of all religions the better for all mankind and start taking responsability for our actions the better for our collective conscience.