Comments on: The Hypocritical Protestant Churches

By: Otto Waldmann

Otto Waldmann — Wed, 31 Oct 2012 19:45:20 +0000

In reply to Michael.

Micahel

I am tagging on you for a number of reason, not least because I agree with you.

The larger picture here is as follows:

Islam has been engaged, say, since the early 1950 in a massive act of revival and expansion.
As a strong fundamental religiousmovement it has been applying with various degrees of discretion the essential desire of universal domination, hence, exclusion of ANY other religious concept.
To cut it to our chaes: Judaism and Jews have been used as the most effective conduit for the purpose presented above. Jews are the common ground on “interest” for the other universal religions, Xtian in addition to the Islam. I shall not go into the solid anti Semitic tradition of the Church.
The Church must be made aware, as a consequence, that the fleeting tollerance of the Islamic onslaught of it as a convenient ally, means that the Church itself is also targeted in the same ideological sense as Judaism, also meant to be conquered and dismissed.
The temporary alliance between Islam and at least some segments of the Xtian fold is an integral part of the grander plan, as explained. One only has to look at the less discreet and, somehow, premature, attacks against the Coptic Church in Egypt, a country now under the very rule of the political arm of the said Islamic advances.
The Protestants in question are but a small part of a religious familly which, in fact, DOES contain elements aware of the process I just described, thank G-d !!
This, I believe, should be the message to be insisted upon and I come full circle here to Michael’s point that, indeed, speaking with courage against the inherent intollerance revealed by the fundamentalist Islam can only HELP those who are exploited by means of crude hatred injecetd in the Islamic strategies.

By: Michael

Michael — Wed, 24 Oct 2012 03:54:25 +0000

If you critizse Islam you are quickly described as Islamaphobic however it is open slather vilify zionists and that is freedom of speech
I wouldnt like to live in a one state as advocated by Antony L and his followers or in other words a Israeli state he would like to see where Jews live under a Muslim
Majority
We have all seen How the Muslims treat each other , Christian minorities I hate to imagine how long the Jews would last .

By: Liat Nagar

Liat Nagar — Mon, 22 Oct 2012 07:33:39 +0000

Anthony,
1. You can find all sorts of people saying any manner of things about Zionism – that’s not new. The meaning of Zionism is pretty simple, really, so let’s not get bogged down with who said what. The raison d’etre in regard to Zionism lies fairly and squarely in the need for a homeland for the Jewish people, preferably the one that has been theirs for centuries – Israel. So, definition of Zionism = homeland for the Jewish people. So many people have a problem with this, and use the Palestinian situation to condemn it, ignoring other important elements pertaining to that situation for their own agenda.
2. It most certainly is clear to anyone following events that world-wide support for Israel is waning, and why is that? It’s a combination of highly successful Palestinian propaganda being backed to the hilt by a mixture of anti-Semites, academics and intellectuals whose realities are so esoteric as to be floating in the clouds, and ignorant, wet-behind-the-ears activists who are full of ideology and short on thorough research and life experience.
3. “It is time for Israel to recognise that its future rests more on international support than the arms it receives from the US.” You must be joking! Since when in history have Jews anywhere been able to even contemplate receiving international support – to rely in any way on receiving it and, more dangerously, to assume it will be forthcoming, is a danger Israel cannot court.
4. As a Christian, I wonder what it is that leads you to believe that Zionism is anti-Jewish?! I do hope it’s not based on your knowledge of the thinking of some Rabbis (again), who by the way are vastly in the minority in regard to this kind of thinking and who are also of a particular narrow view in regard to their theological interpretations, none of which has much to do with the concrete problem facing the Jews existing around them. Perhaps the ‘international community’ sub-consciously wants the extinction or demise of the Jews – of course, no educated, civil person would own up to that, so they have to play games of pretence, of puffed up indignation and pretence at caring for the plight of the Palestinian people – organized flotillas to Gaza, unbalanced, melodramatic media reportage taken up by the ill-informed public with a vengeance. No matter that the leaders of the Palestinian people have let their people down dreadfully by their political decisions, time and time again, when they could have had the land and the peace they so eloquently make a plea for a number of times over, going back as far as 1948. No matter that Palestinian people didn’t even identify as such until after 1967 (between 1950 and 1967 they were happily Jordanians, when Jordan had control of the area). If as a Christian you are concerned with what goes on in Gaza and the West Bank, then look a little further and more deeply into the situation, and see for yourself how the Arabs are their own worst enemies. Israel would like nothing more than to be free of its necessary involvement in these areas; all it needs to withdraw completely is its security both guaranteed and in actuality complied with.

By: Michael

Michael — Mon, 22 Oct 2012 06:41:30 +0000

Yeh Antony (L) I presume
it’s all about those poor poor Palestinians if only our Jewish 5 th column would be as concerened about the Jews living amongst a neighborhood of barbarians .

By: Peter

Peter — Mon, 22 Oct 2012 06:04:05 +0000

In reply to michael.

Michael, you clearly must have read another article.

I would almost agree with you if that was what Isi Liebler wrote, except that I don’t think human rights are confined to Israelis or Jews. However there is nothing in his piece along the lines you suggest.

The US church leaders in question have written to Congress asking for the following:

‘We urge an immediate investigation into possible violations by Israel of the US Foreign Assistance Act and the US Arms Export Control Act which respectively prohibit assistance to any country which engages in a consistent pattern of human rights violations and limit the use of US weapons to “internal security” or “legitimate self-defence”.

More broadly, we urge Congress to undertake careful scrutiny to ensure that our aid is not supporting actions by the government of Israel that undermine prospects for peace. We urge Congress to hold hearings to examine Israel’s compliance, and we request regular reporting on compliance and the withholding of military aid for non-compliance.’

Which part of this call is improper in a democracy? We should accept this scrutiny, even if some of us don’t like it, unless we believe that Israel operates to another set of laws both in the United States and at home.

One doesn’t have to agree with those proposing such an investigation, but to suggest it should not take place is foolishly defensive, to name-call those pursuing it anti-Semites is unacceptable, and to then tar ordinary Christians anti-Semites by association is……well…..as I wrote…offensive to any thinking person.

By: Anthony

Anthony — Sun, 21 Oct 2012 16:00:00 +0000

Just a reminder: Catholics, at least this one. do not support Israel’s crimes against humanity and war crimes. In my opinion Zionism is anti-Jewish as many rabbis have stated from the time the idea first took root in Europe. Operationally, Zionism is anti-Christian. Zionism can only exist in a climate of repression of the rights of Palestinians—the record speaks for itself. It is clear to anyone following events that support for Israel world wide is waning. It is time for Israel to recognize that its future depends more on international support than on the arms it receives from the U.S.

By: michael

michael — Sun, 21 Oct 2012 12:59:24 +0000

Yes Peter how dare Isi Liebler stand up for Israeli Jewish Human Rights.!

By: Liat Nagar

Liat Nagar — Sun, 21 Oct 2012 12:06:51 +0000

I share your passion and frustration, Isi, at the situation that exists whereby all the facts you so cogently state are simply ignored as if they didn’t exist. As to the people who ignore them, such as the particular Christians you speak of, and so many left-wing academics and ‘intellectuals’, if all of them stood in front of you right now and you repeated these words in person loudly and clearly, still they would be ignored to the point where they didn’t even register in the minds of those concerned. They want to think what they think regardless of anything. That’s what is astonishing, and also offensive.

Anti-Semitism is rearing its ugly head and gathering force in the world in the guise of new and different facades and must be countered and called for what it is, just as you have done with your article Isi Leibler.

By: Michael

Michael — Sun, 21 Oct 2012 02:05:49 +0000

Another excellent analysis Isi

By: Krzysztof

Krzysztof — Wed, 17 Oct 2012 12:51:52 +0000

Hello,

Sorry to hear it. I didn’t really realize Protestant leaders could be like that still now, even though we have the 21st century and wish the gruesome chapters of history never came back!

I must admit the Protestants I like and understand are those I get to see on channels like TBN, God TV, etc.

Being a dedicated Catholic myself, I share the opinions of Protestants like John Hagee. He loves Israel and so do I – with all my heart. My wife and I love Israel and Her wonderful people and wish them all the very best in the future.

G’d bless you!
Krzysztof