ganz meshuge !! how did this character get through security !!????

I cannot agree with you more… what an amazing description of yourself… however, I think you more hybris than you are hubrus… you may be articulate, but you definitely need an education. I think that there is something seriously wrong with you… you are embarrassing yourself… perhaps it may help if you READ my comments SLOWLY… it may sink in.

Your comments are nothing but hate speech and I think you will do well, if not already, a member of the ‘prevailing society’; a lifetime membership I presume.

Your vain attempt in endeavouring to change the ‘discussion’ signifies that you cannot or do have the ability to answer my questions… hence your hate speech…

herr otto, (oops, I forgot the capital letters) you should be honoured that you actually had such a long ‘discussion’ with me…

I think you should go back to the rudiments of theological discourse… i.e. read the Torah; it is truly a great book (and I mean it, it is brilliant)… pay particular attention to the sections that cover ‘Arrogance’ and ‘Humility’. GOD Willing, you may learn something.

I know you enjoy having the floor, (based on your comments on other discussions), this will therefore be my last post with you… knock yourself out…

Shalom my brother… may you go in peace… let it not be said (at the Pearly Gates) that I didn’t try.

ps: I will be following this project to see if you are in anyway involved.

Otto

I didn’t think you would invest in any direct references to my ‘slightly’, all over the top, attempt in “CORRECTING” you.

You are now assuming that I’m of good faith, I’m sorry, I cannot have the same assumption for you… and again, using the ‘capital’ letters with either a sarcastic or hateful overtone; I’m sure your conscience and your DNA make up already have a foregone conclusion.

You extend your hand (literally) in friendship, no other way… this would apply to ALL faiths. I’m sure if you were the editor of J-Wire; you would have cancelled my free subscription. Mate, nothing stops you in joining any religious or community sites’ mailing list… I belong to many faiths mailing lists, including, interfaith Christian, Jews and Muslims, Hindus etc… perhaps you should try it, it’s an enlightening experience.

I’m not approaching you with a high tension tone… you my friend, have set the pace… I’m merely returning the compliment.

You have not answered two main questions… (don’t worry about the other questions; they have become rhetorical) I’m asking this again because you use the royal plural ‘we’ Jews often. We need to establish this, if we are going to develop any harmonious relationship.
Do you represent the Jewish Community?
Are you in any way involved with this project?

You mention that your Torah created the fundamentals of this venture and that those who diverted from it need to acknowledge this… I agree, but do not agree with the term divert… I think expand is a more accurate term…

Shalom and Salaam (what do you know, they both mean peace)

when you will attain stable composition as against demeaning ilusions of wit and “intellectual” resource, express what you’d arrive at. Otherwise, badly mutilated phrases of ineptitude will not do !!

I do not, normally, waste my time on middle-of-traffic pedestrian-jaywalking, non-sophisticated rants pretending to be smart and “informed” retorts. I made a few exceptions with you in an attempt to elevate and dignify simplicity, something you should be , actually, really proud of.

Yousoof

I will not invest in direct references to your slightly all over the shop attempt at “correcting ” me.
Assuming that you are of good faith, my approach ( intentionally not use term “advice” ) would be to examine my critical comments as clear reflections of facts well documented of MUSLIM ( how is that for all capital letters !!! ) substantive attempts at consistently positively dwellig on the Jewish ( only one capital letter !!) issues with the Islaimic response to their Jewish irritant.

The mere fact that you have access to a site designed to express mainly Jewish stances reveals a genuine intent by our side to engage with yours.

Approaching me with a high tension tone, in parts dismissive, in parts critical and, overall, annoyed by my temerity of questioning the Muslim genuine intent, is not going to impress me or anyone interested in developing a workable process with almost Anyone hitherto not perceived as most amicable to the Jewish fold. I am not looking for conflict, but, at the same time, encounters with those not quite in agreement with me fit quite perfectly with my DNA.
By turning a discussion into an argument with me you betray, if anything, a contentious disposition, not quite the terrain for what you, otherwise, claim to pursue.

Your less than mature darts at me personally, the market place/bazaar/shuk plays on hope/wonder words, demean the tone I always intended and betray the trait I was precisely aluding to in my constructively criticism of the Islmic consistency in the interfaith dilogue.

Otherwise if Mulsims, Islam , all other Abrahamic triangular participants wish to build a harmonius village, we Jews, are most apt at accommodating. Our Torah created the fundamentals for such a venture. Those who diverted from it need to acknowledge this.

I do not represent any Muslim or Islamic organisation; I’m here at my own volition and representing me. I have an affinity for three Abrahamic religions and on that basis wish that this project is a success… you either accept it or you don’t… that mate, is your problem.

However, if you represent the Jewish community, then, God of Abraham help us.
Your comments leaves a bitter taste in the mouth.
“…called harmoniuous encounters between sides expected to be mutually incompatible.” This is your opinion and expectation…

“Circumstances of Jews and Muslims “working together…” do you have any proof of this or is this your opinion? Remember there always three sides a story… your view, my view and the TRUTH. Take another guess where Muslims and Jews work together and help each other and attend each others celebrations and Bar mitzvahs.

“…In Australia, as well as other Western type societies where we find both Jewish communities as well as muslims, the type of enthisiastic expression, as you put it, is all but non-existent precisely because of acutely active efforts by the core Islamic entity of not just keeping a distance from tthe local Jewish entity, but due to a cronic adherence by the Islamic fold to a visceral policy of enmity toward the Jews, whther based on Israeli “issues” or not…” you seem to have all the answers; why don’t you enlighten us… if this is the case, then why haven’t you extended your hand in friendship and show these “Australian Muslims” that you are the better man…

“Modicums of elegnt, civilised discourse can be exhibited with incredible ease… to present, the sincere ” take it or leave it” intent of reconmciliation…” – what is your issue? Is it that I made a contribution or is the issue about Israel / Palestine? Your contribution thus far; is that you are trying to give me a set ground rules… if you are in any way part of this project, than, the GOD of Abraham help us… I think you will hinder this project, you have no trust in all things human.

These are the given facts if this project has any chance of success… that you need to extend the same courtesy when using the word ‘Muslim’ as you do when using the word Jewish… at least have the respect to use Capital letters… (I think this was deliberate on your part; you are too articulate to make such a mistake)

“Otherwise, look at me, all hope and happiness !!!… In the US they have and had Barak Obama, Bob Hope and Stevie Wonder. In Australia, we have Otto, no wonder we have no hope…

At the “risk” of being specific, one must consider all tangible evidence of attempts as well as reluctance at what I called harmoniuous encounters between sides expected to be mutually incompatible.
The notion of transplanting circumstances is simply non-practical, it cannot work.
Circumstances of Jews and muslims “working together” will be obvious in oplaces such as Turkey where, by necessity local Turkish Jews have no option but function in a predomnantly muslim society. We have seen, however, that our Turkish Jews have been under immediate pressure not to express their stances on certain matters for fear of muslim retribution. A lot worse in Iran. Local muslims may say that they are “happy” with their local Jews but that can only be at the expense of reciprocity.
In Australia, as well as other Western type societies where we find both Jewish communities as well as muslims, the type of enthisiastic expression, as you put it, is all but non-existent precisely because of acutely active efforts by the core Islamic entity of not just keeping a distance from tthe local Jewish entity, but due to a cronic adherence by the Islamic fold to a visceral policy of enmity toward the Jews, whther based on Israeli “issues” or not.
Modicums of elegnt, civilised discourse can be exhibited with incredible ease. Rejection by the Jews of circumstantial mimics contains the sincere Jewish desire to arrive at a substantial shift in what has become the trademark of Islamic consistence in a resumption of enmity toward matters Jewish when political “circumstances” demand it. “Occasional”, actually regular, manifestations of let’s say unhappiness with , pick if you want , Israel commiting “crimes” against palestinians seem to find their way into the otherwise, as you try to present, the sincere ” take it or leave it” intent of reconmciliation.
These are given facts which must be addressed before we all can agree that the climate for a project as the one above could have any chance of success. Not stumbling blocks, but matters to be seriously considered !!!
One other thing, reflex retort in kind of suggestive criticism, such as who is deceiving who, is not quite conducive to amiable dialogue. Otherwise, look at me, all hope and happiness !!!

Otto
I’m so glad you approve; let’s hope that no deceit will be detected from your end…

My statements are what they are… take it or leave it… Where I come from, Muslims and Jews go into business together, they support each other and at the risk of generalising, I cannot say the same attitude applies here.

Pity… under the circumstances… this project will have to be followed closely…

Yousoof

When reading my other posting here one will , no doubt, draw the immediate conclusion that the notion of absolute incompatibility between the three Abrahamic religions has no legs, let alone brains. It’s no brainer that people can arrive at civilised confluences. What matters most is where they start from. Your deliberate error suggests good intentions and that alone augurs for a different kind of a healthy treatement to the one I frist suggested.
You will agree, however that traces of , let’s say, timidity at certain Jews may be justified when your kind – and I mean emotionally kind – of approach is encountered.
Sincerity based on GOOD, solid knowledge of the substance of ALL parts that are supposed to be seen discussing harmoniously is, by far, ingredient number ONE.
So far I cannot detect any deceit, so we are on the same page……