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		By: Yirmiyahu Natan		</title>
		<link>https://www.jwire.com.au/ramadan-roulette-writes-michael-kuttner/#comment-185382</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jun 2016 12:16:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.jwire.com.au/ramadan-roulette-writes-michael-kuttner/#comment-185363&quot;&gt;Ben Tzur&lt;/a&gt;.

Mr. Tzur,

I must give thanks where it is due to yourself and your associate Mr. Reed for assisting to prove my point. At no stage did I propose offering the Palestinians any kind of deal or offer - I have no illusions as to their obvious intentions for the State of Israel. On the contrary, I propose a unilateral separation from those areas under Israeli control which are home to an overwhelming Palestinian majority, where our teenage children are forced to stand at roadblocks playing God and deciding whether to allow passage to pregnant women and sick children. This morally untenable reality is poisoning the souls of our own children and has become distanced from the true role of the I.D.F.
The blocs of Jewish settlement would be annexed with full human, civil and electorate rights being accorded to ALL the people living in these areas including Palestinians.
This is the ONLY viable solution which will both preserve Israel&#039;s moral fibre and prevent international isolation.
Needless to say, such a move would automaticaly lead to less Palestinians having access to Israeli cities and settlements, thereby enhancing the level of personal security.
While you and Mr. Reed seem to be most proficient at decrying the Palestinian human rights record, neither of you offer a hint of an alternative solution, seemingly being quite content with current reality. This being the case, I can only assume that you are either living elsewhere or have a pechant for masochism and in any case, have demonstrated most clearly why an alternative is urgently required.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.jwire.com.au/ramadan-roulette-writes-michael-kuttner/#comment-185363">Ben Tzur</a>.</p>
<p>Mr. Tzur,</p>
<p>I must give thanks where it is due to yourself and your associate Mr. Reed for assisting to prove my point. At no stage did I propose offering the Palestinians any kind of deal or offer &#8211; I have no illusions as to their obvious intentions for the State of Israel. On the contrary, I propose a unilateral separation from those areas under Israeli control which are home to an overwhelming Palestinian majority, where our teenage children are forced to stand at roadblocks playing God and deciding whether to allow passage to pregnant women and sick children. This morally untenable reality is poisoning the souls of our own children and has become distanced from the true role of the I.D.F.<br />
The blocs of Jewish settlement would be annexed with full human, civil and electorate rights being accorded to ALL the people living in these areas including Palestinians.<br />
This is the ONLY viable solution which will both preserve Israel&#8217;s moral fibre and prevent international isolation.<br />
Needless to say, such a move would automaticaly lead to less Palestinians having access to Israeli cities and settlements, thereby enhancing the level of personal security.<br />
While you and Mr. Reed seem to be most proficient at decrying the Palestinian human rights record, neither of you offer a hint of an alternative solution, seemingly being quite content with current reality. This being the case, I can only assume that you are either living elsewhere or have a pechant for masochism and in any case, have demonstrated most clearly why an alternative is urgently required.</p>
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		By: Ben Tzur		</title>
		<link>https://www.jwire.com.au/ramadan-roulette-writes-michael-kuttner/#comment-185363</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jun 2016 07:47:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.jwire.com.au/ramadan-roulette-writes-michael-kuttner/#comment-185204&quot;&gt;Rami Reed&lt;/a&gt;.

Excellent comment, Rami Reed. Of course it is likely to be too complicated (i.e., simple truth) for Mr. Natan to grasp. There are some further implications to your observations that are probably even more complicated and obscure for such bright lights to grasp, such as that the historically consistent refusal of the Arab/Muslim populations that now call themselves &quot;Palestinians&quot; to accept any peace offer whatsoever, on any terms other than suicidal surrender, in 1947-48, 1967, 1979, 1993-4, 2000, 2001, 2008, 2010, 2013, and presently, proves that they reject peace of any sort with the Jewish state on principle, in any genuine form. They actually relish instead the present situation in which people like Mr. Natan can accuse Israel of wilfully and cruelly &quot;oppressing and occupying&quot; them. That justifies their terrorism and war. That is why, for example, they create a literal apartheid situation within the Palestinian Authority territory, cruelly keeping interned, permanently, hundreds of thousands of their very own &quot;Palestinians&quot; in the so-called &quot;Palestinian refugee camps&quot; right within their own &quot;Palestine,&quot; forbidding them employment, freedom of residence, or other normal citizenship rights, instead enslaving them as impoverished welfare recipients so that the P.A. can attract billions in international &quot;aid&quot; pocketed by their own Fatah elite, while warping the whole society with hatred. The PA has effectively created the &quot;refugees&quot; as internationally dramatized hostages against Israel&#039;s existence. It has proven to be a real money-spinner and propaganda bonanza. Who can forget Arafat&#039;s wildly applauded reception in the U.N., machine gun across his chest, back in the days when the U.N. General Assembly &quot;resolved&quot; that Zionism = Racism? 

The Fatah and Hamas do not want peace. They want war, and the annihilation of Israel. This has been their consistent policy goal, officially declared (in Arabic, not always however in English or other European languages) from the start of their existence. There really is no mystery about it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.jwire.com.au/ramadan-roulette-writes-michael-kuttner/#comment-185204">Rami Reed</a>.</p>
<p>Excellent comment, Rami Reed. Of course it is likely to be too complicated (i.e., simple truth) for Mr. Natan to grasp. There are some further implications to your observations that are probably even more complicated and obscure for such bright lights to grasp, such as that the historically consistent refusal of the Arab/Muslim populations that now call themselves &#8220;Palestinians&#8221; to accept any peace offer whatsoever, on any terms other than suicidal surrender, in 1947-48, 1967, 1979, 1993-4, 2000, 2001, 2008, 2010, 2013, and presently, proves that they reject peace of any sort with the Jewish state on principle, in any genuine form. They actually relish instead the present situation in which people like Mr. Natan can accuse Israel of wilfully and cruelly &#8220;oppressing and occupying&#8221; them. That justifies their terrorism and war. That is why, for example, they create a literal apartheid situation within the Palestinian Authority territory, cruelly keeping interned, permanently, hundreds of thousands of their very own &#8220;Palestinians&#8221; in the so-called &#8220;Palestinian refugee camps&#8221; right within their own &#8220;Palestine,&#8221; forbidding them employment, freedom of residence, or other normal citizenship rights, instead enslaving them as impoverished welfare recipients so that the P.A. can attract billions in international &#8220;aid&#8221; pocketed by their own Fatah elite, while warping the whole society with hatred. The PA has effectively created the &#8220;refugees&#8221; as internationally dramatized hostages against Israel&#8217;s existence. It has proven to be a real money-spinner and propaganda bonanza. Who can forget Arafat&#8217;s wildly applauded reception in the U.N., machine gun across his chest, back in the days when the U.N. General Assembly &#8220;resolved&#8221; that Zionism = Racism? </p>
<p>The Fatah and Hamas do not want peace. They want war, and the annihilation of Israel. This has been their consistent policy goal, officially declared (in Arabic, not always however in English or other European languages) from the start of their existence. There really is no mystery about it.</p>
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		By: Rami Reed		</title>
		<link>https://www.jwire.com.au/ramadan-roulette-writes-michael-kuttner/#comment-185204</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jun 2016 08:06:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.jwire.com.au/ramadan-roulette-writes-michael-kuttner/#comment-185121&quot;&gt;Yirmiyahu Natan&lt;/a&gt;.

Nonsense argument Mr Natan. Israel has offered a state to the Palestinians on at least 95% of the West Bank and all of Gaza numerous times. In 2000 by Ehud Barak, by President Clinton with the agreement of Barak. Both refused by Arafat. Ehud Olmert offered them a state including shared administration of Jerusalem in 2008. Abbas didn&#039;t bother to even reply. In 2010, Israel at the urging of. Obama ceased any building in settlement areas fo 10 Months in order to get the Palestinians to come to the table. They only arrived in the last three weeks and after a couple of days departed. In the meantime, the Palestinians insist on a right of return of Palestinians to Israel, refuse to agree that Israel is a Jewish state, refuse to recognise any Jewish history in Israel, refuse to allow Jews to pray on the Temple Mount. Indeed they state that no Jewish temple ever stood there at all and insist that not one Jew will be able to reside in any future Palestinian State. AND you blame Israel! Are you joking?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.jwire.com.au/ramadan-roulette-writes-michael-kuttner/#comment-185121">Yirmiyahu Natan</a>.</p>
<p>Nonsense argument Mr Natan. Israel has offered a state to the Palestinians on at least 95% of the West Bank and all of Gaza numerous times. In 2000 by Ehud Barak, by President Clinton with the agreement of Barak. Both refused by Arafat. Ehud Olmert offered them a state including shared administration of Jerusalem in 2008. Abbas didn&#8217;t bother to even reply. In 2010, Israel at the urging of. Obama ceased any building in settlement areas fo 10 Months in order to get the Palestinians to come to the table. They only arrived in the last three weeks and after a couple of days departed. In the meantime, the Palestinians insist on a right of return of Palestinians to Israel, refuse to agree that Israel is a Jewish state, refuse to recognise any Jewish history in Israel, refuse to allow Jews to pray on the Temple Mount. Indeed they state that no Jewish temple ever stood there at all and insist that not one Jew will be able to reside in any future Palestinian State. AND you blame Israel! Are you joking?</p>
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		By: Yirmiyahu Natan		</title>
		<link>https://www.jwire.com.au/ramadan-roulette-writes-michael-kuttner/#comment-185121</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Yirmiyahu Natan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jun 2016 07:32:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[With all due respect to Mr. Kuttner&#039;s semantic gymnastics, it is an undeniable fact that Israel is sliding towrds the point of no return in the guise of a two-nation state that will mark the end of the Zionist enterprise as envisioned by Herzl.
Anyone supporting democracy as the preferred means of government must recognise that Israel cannot continue denying full civil and electoral rights to all the people living in the areas under its jurisdiction whether it be Netanya or Nablus. The alternative, supported by the majority of the Israeli elecotrate, is of course to separate from those areas Israel conquered in 1967 containing a Palestinian majority and to annex the blocs of large Jewish settlement, thereby guaranteeing a Jewish AND democratic State.
The ostrich like policy being practiced by Prime Minister Netanyahu and advocated by Mr. Kuttner will lead to a watered down version of apartheid and a pariah status for Israel on the international stage.
Mr. Kuttner&#039;s Pavlov-like weekly wailings about anti-semitism in every corner of the globe may satisfy his persecution complex but will not advance the State of Israel a milimeter towards a hopeful and better future.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With all due respect to Mr. Kuttner&#8217;s semantic gymnastics, it is an undeniable fact that Israel is sliding towrds the point of no return in the guise of a two-nation state that will mark the end of the Zionist enterprise as envisioned by Herzl.<br />
Anyone supporting democracy as the preferred means of government must recognise that Israel cannot continue denying full civil and electoral rights to all the people living in the areas under its jurisdiction whether it be Netanya or Nablus. The alternative, supported by the majority of the Israeli elecotrate, is of course to separate from those areas Israel conquered in 1967 containing a Palestinian majority and to annex the blocs of large Jewish settlement, thereby guaranteeing a Jewish AND democratic State.<br />
The ostrich like policy being practiced by Prime Minister Netanyahu and advocated by Mr. Kuttner will lead to a watered down version of apartheid and a pariah status for Israel on the international stage.<br />
Mr. Kuttner&#8217;s Pavlov-like weekly wailings about anti-semitism in every corner of the globe may satisfy his persecution complex but will not advance the State of Israel a milimeter towards a hopeful and better future.</p>
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