Gil

You are playing the same game as denigrators of Israel who make vague and unsubstantiated allegations and cannot back them up when challenged.

As they say in the classics – put up or shut up.

Lest you labour under the misapprehension that I am somehow seeking to diminish the threat Obama poses to Israel – you might care to read the following article I wrote that was published in J Wire in May 2011 – long before your unsubstantiated “quote” by Obama.

http://www.jwire.com.au/news/palestine-obama-continues-to-fudge-on-americas-commitment-to-israel/16456

I rely on actual statements made by Obama and anyone else I choose to write about – and so should you if you want to have any credibility

David,

The clip in question that I saw was aired on Fox News Channel about 6 months prior to Obama’s re-election in November 2012. I am not going to waste my time indulging your pedantic nonsense – “when did he say this, give me his EXACT words, context, link.”
I suggest you go look up the exact words yourself.

Sadly, your comments indicate that you have no fundamental grasp of the reality that is going on in these so called “negotiations” and oblivious to the fact that Obama and his team are preparing to throw Israel under a bus.

Gil

You obviously do not like legal mumbo jumbo and looking for hidden meanings as to what this and that person may be implying – yet you then supposedly quote what Obama “in effect” said:

“Wait till I am re-elected and see what I will do to Israel.”

When did Obama say this and what were the actual words he used?

Lawyers trade in cold hard facts and usually don’t misquote what others say.One particular lawyer has been caught out on J Wire doing just that recently.

So give me the exact quote Obama used and the context within which he said it – and the link to support your claim.

If you are correct than it is very significant.

You never know I might even write another legal mumbo jumbo article based on Obama’s comment – if you can substantiate it.

Let me state from the outset that I am certainly not as diplomatic as Paul who tried to enlighten you but obviously to no avail (“The US’s motives as well as its stance is not based in law”).

You tend to quibble over every word uttered by this Administration but fail to understand Paul’s point that the Obama Administration’s hostility to Israel has nothing to do with law but more to do with bringing Israel down one way or another. The law and who said what to whom and when which you constantly quote mean squat to THIS ADMINISTRATION. The current occupier of the oval Office couldn’t care less about what was “internationally guaranteed in former Palestine ninety years ago.”

It is ludicrous for you to state that Abbas would be squirming that Kerry used the term “Illegitimate” rather than “illegal.”

Your postings are so tied up in legal mumbo jumbo looking for hidden meanings as to what this and that person may be implying that you lose the big picture. You fail to comprehend the reality of the Obama Administration and its clear and present danger to Israel.

Allow me the audacity of trying to enlighten you as Paul didn’t seem to make great headway in his endeavour to do so.

As I said in a recent post in J-Wire, Obama’s Muslim upbringing in Indonesia (which is an undeniable historical fact), is the catalyst for his deep and abiding hatred of Israel and he will do everything in his power to bring the Jewish nation to its knees. Look at the useless concessions he has, up to now, forced upon Israel. Hopefully the days of Israel doing this man’s bidding are over.

While you worry about the law, I am more interested in what he said to Putin prior to his second term election victory, words to the effect: “Wait till I am re-elected and see what I will do to Israel.” Does this sound like a man who cares less about the legalistic writings of David Singer?

David, it’s time to face reality. Your endless quotes of the law and who said what to whom and when mean squat to this President. This man ignores laws if they don’t suit his agenda, ignores past understandings by former Presidents and rides roughshod over historical facts.

In short, the man does not have Israel’s interests at heart and it is time Israel and the Jewish world (especially those Obama worshipping American Jews) wake up to this reality.

Paul

The State Department has long been a driver with an anti-Israel bias as you correctly point out.

When the Department is full of scores of ex Arab diplomats and only a few Israeli ones then the imbalance becomes very pronounced – especially when you add the word OIL.

Many Presidents have put the State Department in its place on so many occasions and on many issues but it doesn’t give up easily.

No Secretary of State has been able to end the Arab-Jewish conflict which says heaps for the advice they were getting from the State Department.

Kerry will join his predecessors on the political scrapheap unless he stands by America’s long standing commitment and support for the reconstitution of the Jewish National Home in Judea and Samaria.

Will US Secretaries of State ever learn?

Kerry and the US, acting on the State Dept’s hate for the Jewish national home established contrary to its advice, terms Israeli nation building in Judea and Samaria (which the local Arabs want sliced off from Israel) as illegitimate intending to convey to the ordinary non-legal person and to Israel’s enemies that the pioneers are acting against the law.

It cannot be established that Israel is acting illegally, but it can be implied and then acted upon as though it were. That word magic also ingratiates the US with the mohammedans.

The US’s motives as well as its stance not based in law also need to be exposed and denounced.