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		By: david singer		</title>
		<link>https://www.jwire.com.au/non-voters-could-decide-same-sex-marriage-poll/#comment-269642</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[david singer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Oct 2017 23:49:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.jwire.com.au/non-voters-could-decide-same-sex-marriage-poll/#comment-255834&quot;&gt;david singer&lt;/a&gt;.

Adrian

How very wrong you turned out to be in saying that most of those voting would have done so by 29 September.

Figures released by the ABS show that 9.2 million people (57.5%) had voted by 3 October.

However that number has jumped to 12.3 million (77%) by 31 October.

You can take comfort in being so wrong because the Fairfax/Ipsos poll referred in my article also got it badly wrong (not as far out as you) by predicting the turnout would be 65%. Their prediction has well and truly been consigned to the dustbin with 10 days still to go.

My argued analysis of why the turnout could reach 85% seems to be gaining real traction with voting open until 7 November.

Beware the polls!!!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.jwire.com.au/non-voters-could-decide-same-sex-marriage-poll/#comment-255834">david singer</a>.</p>
<p>Adrian</p>
<p>How very wrong you turned out to be in saying that most of those voting would have done so by 29 September.</p>
<p>Figures released by the ABS show that 9.2 million people (57.5%) had voted by 3 October.</p>
<p>However that number has jumped to 12.3 million (77%) by 31 October.</p>
<p>You can take comfort in being so wrong because the Fairfax/Ipsos poll referred in my article also got it badly wrong (not as far out as you) by predicting the turnout would be 65%. Their prediction has well and truly been consigned to the dustbin with 10 days still to go.</p>
<p>My argued analysis of why the turnout could reach 85% seems to be gaining real traction with voting open until 7 November.</p>
<p>Beware the polls!!!</p>
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		By: david singer		</title>
		<link>https://www.jwire.com.au/non-voters-could-decide-same-sex-marriage-poll/#comment-255834</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[david singer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Oct 2017 03:51:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.jwire.com.au/non-voters-could-decide-same-sex-marriage-poll/#comment-253852&quot;&gt;Adrian Jackson&lt;/a&gt;.

Adrian:

As I explained in my article those who have placed their votes in the recycle bin or have not received them because they were not delivered by the posties but left out on the street can apply for fresh ballot papers.

NO campaigners should help those who have thrown out or not received their ballot papers apply for fresh forms, since those doing so are more than likely to vote NO than YES.

If you read my article again you will understand that capturing 90% of those tossing out or not getting those ballot papers to vote NO can make a huge difference to the final result.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.jwire.com.au/non-voters-could-decide-same-sex-marriage-poll/#comment-253852">Adrian Jackson</a>.</p>
<p>Adrian:</p>
<p>As I explained in my article those who have placed their votes in the recycle bin or have not received them because they were not delivered by the posties but left out on the street can apply for fresh ballot papers.</p>
<p>NO campaigners should help those who have thrown out or not received their ballot papers apply for fresh forms, since those doing so are more than likely to vote NO than YES.</p>
<p>If you read my article again you will understand that capturing 90% of those tossing out or not getting those ballot papers to vote NO can make a huge difference to the final result.</p>
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		By: david singer		</title>
		<link>https://www.jwire.com.au/non-voters-could-decide-same-sex-marriage-poll/#comment-255825</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[david singer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Oct 2017 03:38:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.jwire.com.au/non-voters-could-decide-same-sex-marriage-poll/#comment-253859&quot;&gt;Michael Barnett&lt;/a&gt;.

Your comment is false and misleading:

The rapist is required to marry his victim, and is not permitted to divorce her without her consent. The Talmud explains that this obligation rests on the rapist, not the victim. She is under no obligation to marry him.

Seems you have no comments to make on anything else in my article. Does this mean you accept the analysis?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.jwire.com.au/non-voters-could-decide-same-sex-marriage-poll/#comment-253859">Michael Barnett</a>.</p>
<p>Your comment is false and misleading:</p>
<p>The rapist is required to marry his victim, and is not permitted to divorce her without her consent. The Talmud explains that this obligation rests on the rapist, not the victim. She is under no obligation to marry him.</p>
<p>Seems you have no comments to make on anything else in my article. Does this mean you accept the analysis?</p>
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		By: Michael Barnett		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael Barnett]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Sep 2017 07:05:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;Retaining the ancient tradition and understanding of marriage is the prize.&quot;

David, did you ever read Devarim 22:28-29?

28 If a man finds a virgin girl who was not betrothed, and seizes her and lies with her, and they are found,

כח כִּֽי־יִמְצָ֣א אִ֗ישׁ נַֽעֲרָ֤ה (כתיב נער) בְתוּלָה֙ אֲשֶׁ֣ר לֹֽא־אֹרָ֔שָׂה וּתְפָשָׂ֖הּ וְשָׁכַ֣ב עִמָּ֑הּ וְנִמְצָֽאוּ:

29 the man who lay with her shall give fifty [shekels of] silver to the girl&#039;s father, and she shall become his wife, because he violated her. He shall not send her away all the days of his life.

כט וְנָתַ֠ן הָאִ֨ישׁ הַשֹּׁכֵ֥ב עִמָּ֛הּ לַֽאֲבִ֥י הַנַּֽעֲרָ֖ה (כתיב הנער) חֲמִשִּׁ֣ים כָּ֑סֶף וְלוֹ־תִֽהְיֶ֣ה לְאִשָּׁ֗ה תַּ֚חַת אֲשֶׁ֣ר עִנָּ֔הּ לֹֽא־יוּכַ֥ל שַׁלְּחָ֖הּ כָּל־יָמָֽיו:

If you are so keen to uphold ancient traditions and definitions of marriage, why would you not want to uphold this one?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Retaining the ancient tradition and understanding of marriage is the prize.&#8221;</p>
<p>David, did you ever read Devarim 22:28-29?</p>
<p>28 If a man finds a virgin girl who was not betrothed, and seizes her and lies with her, and they are found,</p>
<p>כח כִּֽי־יִמְצָ֣א אִ֗ישׁ נַֽעֲרָ֤ה (כתיב נער) בְתוּלָה֙ אֲשֶׁ֣ר לֹֽא־אֹרָ֔שָׂה וּתְפָשָׂ֖הּ וְשָׁכַ֣ב עִמָּ֑הּ וְנִמְצָֽאוּ:</p>
<p>29 the man who lay with her shall give fifty [shekels of] silver to the girl&#8217;s father, and she shall become his wife, because he violated her. He shall not send her away all the days of his life.</p>
<p>כט וְנָתַ֠ן הָאִ֨ישׁ הַשֹּׁכֵ֥ב עִמָּ֛הּ לַֽאֲבִ֥י הַנַּֽעֲרָ֖ה (כתיב הנער) חֲמִשִּׁ֣ים כָּ֑סֶף וְלוֹ־תִֽהְיֶ֣ה לְאִשָּׁ֗ה תַּ֚חַת אֲשֶׁ֣ר עִנָּ֔הּ לֹֽא־יוּכַ֥ל שַׁלְּחָ֖הּ כָּל־יָמָֽיו:</p>
<p>If you are so keen to uphold ancient traditions and definitions of marriage, why would you not want to uphold this one?</p>
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		By: Adrian Jackson		</title>
		<link>https://www.jwire.com.au/non-voters-could-decide-same-sex-marriage-poll/#comment-253852</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Adrian Jackson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Sep 2017 06:41:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[As the last batch of ballots were distributed to Australians on 25 Sep 17 I think those that are going to vote would have done so already. 

For those not voting the ballots is probably in the recycle bin.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As the last batch of ballots were distributed to Australians on 25 Sep 17 I think those that are going to vote would have done so already. </p>
<p>For those not voting the ballots is probably in the recycle bin.</p>
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