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		By: Michelle		</title>
		<link>https://www.jwire.com.au/jccv-reaffirms-support-for-multiculturism/#comment-35277</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Mar 2013 05:42:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.jwire.com.au/jccv-reaffirms-support-for-multiculturism/#comment-33726&quot;&gt;Rita&lt;/a&gt;.

BRAVO!!! I support you all the way, I have wrote a letter to Jewish Council and told them that they have no right to condemn Mr Wilders in my name and the letter I got from them are sickening, all in the name to crawl up to politicians in Australia, we have to get reed of this people as they don&#039;t represent the Jewish people in Australia only they own agenda.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.jwire.com.au/jccv-reaffirms-support-for-multiculturism/#comment-33726">Rita</a>.</p>
<p>BRAVO!!! I support you all the way, I have wrote a letter to Jewish Council and told them that they have no right to condemn Mr Wilders in my name and the letter I got from them are sickening, all in the name to crawl up to politicians in Australia, we have to get reed of this people as they don&#8217;t represent the Jewish people in Australia only they own agenda.</p>
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		By: Liat Nagar		</title>
		<link>https://www.jwire.com.au/jccv-reaffirms-support-for-multiculturism/#comment-35273</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Mar 2013 05:09:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Raoul,
You are ignoring the main thrust of my comments.  I am not interested in defending Islam as a religion, nor am I interested in debating theological points.  I&#039;m interested in making a difference to the influence and spread of Islamic rules and beliefs in countries where they&#039;re not the norm.  I&#039;m interested in Muslim migrants being brought to the understanding that if they choose to live in another country, such as Australia or the Netherlands, then their religion is for private and personal practice only, and they must actively endeavour to assimilate in that country with regard to the values and rules of that country. I&#039;ll say again that that&#039;s what Wilders should concentrate on.  And if he doesn&#039;t, and we all get bogged down in an Islam as religion hate-fest, then we&#039;ll chase our tails in angry circles and it will come to nothing.

I don&#039;t think the Koran calls the Prophet Muhammad a paedophile?!  Correct me if I&#039;m wrong.  I have no particular interest in protecting the name of this Islamic prophet, but please let&#039;s be as accurate as possible and concentrate on the important issue here and not go into overdrive, which is what Wilders has done in this regard, thereby undermining his good intent.  

I myself do not speak of Judaism and Christianity with the same breath, and don&#039;t wish to be associated with the idea of a duality here.  They might share the Old Testament (Torah), but that is all.   As for Jesus, he was a Jewish revolutionary (lived and died a Jew), whose name has been used many years later, under the original machinations of Paul, in what I consider a dishonest political scheme to hoist the new religion of Christianity.  As it stands, it&#039;s a mythology rather than particularly true.  Don&#039;t get me wrong, I love mythologies for all kinds of reasons, although do not care for Christianity.  I, personally, find it a hypocritical and destructive religion, based on a very tenuous premise.

What has happened in this century, and the last, is the upsurgence and spread of Islam, with all kinds of terror and evil being perpetrated in its name by all manner of men and women, and this an evolutionary thing.  For hundreds of years before that we had Christianity exercising its power and evil doings by those who believed so fervently in it, viz. the Crusades, burning of women as &#039;witches&#039; through the centuries, likewise for the inquiring men of science, not to mention the handing down from pulpits through the ages hatred of the Jews, sewing the seeds for the Holocaust.  Not that Hitler, or many of his cohorts were religious - however by the time they came to power the stereotyping of Jews was endemic in the population and anti-Semitism, which is always there and dormant, rose to become the ugly, compliant thing it did, enabling the genocide that took place under Nazi rule.  There is no doubt that Christianity contributed to this through its rabid believers of the past.  I know that Islam does not respect Judaism or Christianity, however neither does Christianity respect Judaism, not really, as much as some say differently.  

I do not believe in sweeping anything under the carpet, and am quite capable of of facing up to things that are &#039;not nice&#039; as well as saying things that are not nice.  I also do not have any human  heroes - there are human beings of differing degrees of merit and courage, that&#039;s all.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Raoul,<br />
You are ignoring the main thrust of my comments.  I am not interested in defending Islam as a religion, nor am I interested in debating theological points.  I&#8217;m interested in making a difference to the influence and spread of Islamic rules and beliefs in countries where they&#8217;re not the norm.  I&#8217;m interested in Muslim migrants being brought to the understanding that if they choose to live in another country, such as Australia or the Netherlands, then their religion is for private and personal practice only, and they must actively endeavour to assimilate in that country with regard to the values and rules of that country. I&#8217;ll say again that that&#8217;s what Wilders should concentrate on.  And if he doesn&#8217;t, and we all get bogged down in an Islam as religion hate-fest, then we&#8217;ll chase our tails in angry circles and it will come to nothing.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think the Koran calls the Prophet Muhammad a paedophile?!  Correct me if I&#8217;m wrong.  I have no particular interest in protecting the name of this Islamic prophet, but please let&#8217;s be as accurate as possible and concentrate on the important issue here and not go into overdrive, which is what Wilders has done in this regard, thereby undermining his good intent.  </p>
<p>I myself do not speak of Judaism and Christianity with the same breath, and don&#8217;t wish to be associated with the idea of a duality here.  They might share the Old Testament (Torah), but that is all.   As for Jesus, he was a Jewish revolutionary (lived and died a Jew), whose name has been used many years later, under the original machinations of Paul, in what I consider a dishonest political scheme to hoist the new religion of Christianity.  As it stands, it&#8217;s a mythology rather than particularly true.  Don&#8217;t get me wrong, I love mythologies for all kinds of reasons, although do not care for Christianity.  I, personally, find it a hypocritical and destructive religion, based on a very tenuous premise.</p>
<p>What has happened in this century, and the last, is the upsurgence and spread of Islam, with all kinds of terror and evil being perpetrated in its name by all manner of men and women, and this an evolutionary thing.  For hundreds of years before that we had Christianity exercising its power and evil doings by those who believed so fervently in it, viz. the Crusades, burning of women as &#8216;witches&#8217; through the centuries, likewise for the inquiring men of science, not to mention the handing down from pulpits through the ages hatred of the Jews, sewing the seeds for the Holocaust.  Not that Hitler, or many of his cohorts were religious &#8211; however by the time they came to power the stereotyping of Jews was endemic in the population and anti-Semitism, which is always there and dormant, rose to become the ugly, compliant thing it did, enabling the genocide that took place under Nazi rule.  There is no doubt that Christianity contributed to this through its rabid believers of the past.  I know that Islam does not respect Judaism or Christianity, however neither does Christianity respect Judaism, not really, as much as some say differently.  </p>
<p>I do not believe in sweeping anything under the carpet, and am quite capable of of facing up to things that are &#8216;not nice&#8217; as well as saying things that are not nice.  I also do not have any human  heroes &#8211; there are human beings of differing degrees of merit and courage, that&#8217;s all.</p>
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		By: Raoul		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Raoul]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Mar 2013 09:53:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.jwire.com.au/jccv-reaffirms-support-for-multiculturism/#comment-34094&quot;&gt;Liat Nagar&lt;/a&gt;.

The Islamic scripture confirms everything Mr Wilders says about Mohammed and Islam. Mohammed is regarded in Islam as THE ideal human being, who&#039;s ways and actions are to be admired, copied and followed. Unlike the TaNaKh or the Christian bible, the Koran is not a collation of stories of the time told by mortal humans, but a true copy of the book Allah has in front of him. The only parallel is the 10 Commandments as both Jews and Christians regard this as the direct words of G-d through a prophet to mankind. For observant Muslims the Koran is a compendium of direct words from aove, a miracle book of clear and present commandments and the living eternal word of their deity. 

But Allah is not the G-d of Moses, Abraham or Jesus. And Islam disrespects both Judaism and Christendom from the very centre of its ideology. There is no Golden Rule in Islam. 

If you do not understand this fundamental difference, if you think Mr Wilders and others should sweep this  unpleasant fact under the carpet to not offend the perpetually offended, you only blind yourself and follow a delusion.

The truth must be said and it must be understood by more people. If we don&#039;t understand and accept the reason for this great schism, we will not be able to resolve it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.jwire.com.au/jccv-reaffirms-support-for-multiculturism/#comment-34094">Liat Nagar</a>.</p>
<p>The Islamic scripture confirms everything Mr Wilders says about Mohammed and Islam. Mohammed is regarded in Islam as THE ideal human being, who&#8217;s ways and actions are to be admired, copied and followed. Unlike the TaNaKh or the Christian bible, the Koran is not a collation of stories of the time told by mortal humans, but a true copy of the book Allah has in front of him. The only parallel is the 10 Commandments as both Jews and Christians regard this as the direct words of G-d through a prophet to mankind. For observant Muslims the Koran is a compendium of direct words from aove, a miracle book of clear and present commandments and the living eternal word of their deity. </p>
<p>But Allah is not the G-d of Moses, Abraham or Jesus. And Islam disrespects both Judaism and Christendom from the very centre of its ideology. There is no Golden Rule in Islam. </p>
<p>If you do not understand this fundamental difference, if you think Mr Wilders and others should sweep this  unpleasant fact under the carpet to not offend the perpetually offended, you only blind yourself and follow a delusion.</p>
<p>The truth must be said and it must be understood by more people. If we don&#8217;t understand and accept the reason for this great schism, we will not be able to resolve it.</p>
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		By: Liat Nagar		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2013 13:36:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I fully support Geert Wilders&#039; brave attempts to speak as he does about the spread of Islam and the dangers that represents in so many countries and societies in the world.  (A well-known Italian journalist/activist, Oriana Fallaci, who died some six years ago, has also been extremely outspoken and active with this.) It is a very real threat and a great worry.  The political correctness associated with turning a blind eye to this and spouting multiculturalism, tolerance and diversity (all of which in general I endorse) as a cover for living in denial in regard to Wilders&#039; assertions, is becoming the biggest threat of all.  For that reason Wilders should focus on the effects and impact of Islam on the countries concerned, and cease speaking of Muhammad as a terrorist and paedophile.  These references are dramatic, and unnecessary - all it does is inflame, and in fact divert attention from the more important issue of what extreme believers in Islam are actually doing, and seeking to do, in the name of their religion.  This is the Achilles heel for Wilders and the reason he is being passionately branded a hatemonger.  For someone as astute and intelligent as he is, one would think he would recognise this.  If in fact he is attempting to dismantle a religion and delegitimise it by making these kinds of remarks about its major prophet and calling it an ideology only, as well as curb the effects of the Islamisation of the world, then it&#039;s just too much.  He won&#039;t succeed on either score, because one will cancel out the other.  Best he stick to the real worry, which is the problem in concrete terms Islamic influence is having on societies in so many countries of the world that have large Muslim populations.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I fully support Geert Wilders&#8217; brave attempts to speak as he does about the spread of Islam and the dangers that represents in so many countries and societies in the world.  (A well-known Italian journalist/activist, Oriana Fallaci, who died some six years ago, has also been extremely outspoken and active with this.) It is a very real threat and a great worry.  The political correctness associated with turning a blind eye to this and spouting multiculturalism, tolerance and diversity (all of which in general I endorse) as a cover for living in denial in regard to Wilders&#8217; assertions, is becoming the biggest threat of all.  For that reason Wilders should focus on the effects and impact of Islam on the countries concerned, and cease speaking of Muhammad as a terrorist and paedophile.  These references are dramatic, and unnecessary &#8211; all it does is inflame, and in fact divert attention from the more important issue of what extreme believers in Islam are actually doing, and seeking to do, in the name of their religion.  This is the Achilles heel for Wilders and the reason he is being passionately branded a hatemonger.  For someone as astute and intelligent as he is, one would think he would recognise this.  If in fact he is attempting to dismantle a religion and delegitimise it by making these kinds of remarks about its major prophet and calling it an ideology only, as well as curb the effects of the Islamisation of the world, then it&#8217;s just too much.  He won&#8217;t succeed on either score, because one will cancel out the other.  Best he stick to the real worry, which is the problem in concrete terms Islamic influence is having on societies in so many countries of the world that have large Muslim populations.</p>
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		By: Michael		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2013 09:26:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Shlomith
You are so spot on &quot;multiculturalism is a failed experiment&quot;
The Jewish community representatives are trying to hang on to it for dear life. They still live in the 1930,s 40,50,s and 60,s when refugees and asylum seekers came here from Europe and Asia and mostly integrated  , didn&#039;t bring with them their intolerant , violent , racist baggage that the current wave of refugee asylum seekers have .
Time to move on .]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shlomith<br />
You are so spot on &#8220;multiculturalism is a failed experiment&#8221;<br />
The Jewish community representatives are trying to hang on to it for dear life. They still live in the 1930,s 40,50,s and 60,s when refugees and asylum seekers came here from Europe and Asia and mostly integrated  , didn&#8217;t bring with them their intolerant , violent , racist baggage that the current wave of refugee asylum seekers have .<br />
Time to move on .</p>
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		By: Shirlee		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Shirlee]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2013 04:49:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[How right you are Michael. I am sick to death of it.  We get more support from outside the Community as Raoul here shows and my good friend Rita who posts here too.

I am posting here the item which was published in the AJN after the dreadful performance at the so-called Solidarity Rally were instead of holding our heads high and proclaiming our support for Israel, we were hidden away in a shul. I and so many people walked out.

This is the letter
“I thank and congratulate the ZCNSW for organising the Solidarity Rally last weekend so well and so quickly
 
Though I am ashamed.  
 
Ashamed that it was deemed necessary to hide away one third of the people who attended the rally for supposed security reasons . 
 
Whose security pray tell?
 
Seeing as to how two thirds of people were in the park?  
 
I enquired about the people outside, to be told they would have to cope ! 
 
So then whose security were we speaking of? The elite few?
 
If it was such a security risk, why then were there only so few Police in attendance.?
 
Haven’t we done with hiding and running away? 
 
Haven’t we done enough of that down through the ages.?
 
No more running. We should be finished with that.
 
Haven’t enough died.?
 
Why aren’t we openly displaying our support for Israel ?
 
People like my father who proudly and openly proclaimed their Jewishness in the East End of London, in the face of Oswald Mosley and his Fascist Party, must be turning in their graves.
I can still clearly see ‘the Blackshirt’ newspaper sitting on the kitchen table, showing a photo of my father with the words “We have to put an end permanently to this man, not only is he a Communist, he is a Jew”. 

My father never hid, he never cowered. He stood proud and tall.  He refused protection. It was instilled into me never to be afraid even whilst the death threats were current and I was only allowed out with Police protection. 
 
Let’s stand up and be counted with no more hiding.”]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How right you are Michael. I am sick to death of it.  We get more support from outside the Community as Raoul here shows and my good friend Rita who posts here too.</p>
<p>I am posting here the item which was published in the AJN after the dreadful performance at the so-called Solidarity Rally were instead of holding our heads high and proclaiming our support for Israel, we were hidden away in a shul. I and so many people walked out.</p>
<p>This is the letter<br />
“I thank and congratulate the ZCNSW for organising the Solidarity Rally last weekend so well and so quickly</p>
<p>Though I am ashamed.  </p>
<p>Ashamed that it was deemed necessary to hide away one third of the people who attended the rally for supposed security reasons . </p>
<p>Whose security pray tell?</p>
<p>Seeing as to how two thirds of people were in the park?  </p>
<p>I enquired about the people outside, to be told they would have to cope ! </p>
<p>So then whose security were we speaking of? The elite few?</p>
<p>If it was such a security risk, why then were there only so few Police in attendance.?</p>
<p>Haven’t we done with hiding and running away? </p>
<p>Haven’t we done enough of that down through the ages.?</p>
<p>No more running. We should be finished with that.</p>
<p>Haven’t enough died.?</p>
<p>Why aren’t we openly displaying our support for Israel ?</p>
<p>People like my father who proudly and openly proclaimed their Jewishness in the East End of London, in the face of Oswald Mosley and his Fascist Party, must be turning in their graves.<br />
I can still clearly see ‘the Blackshirt’ newspaper sitting on the kitchen table, showing a photo of my father with the words “We have to put an end permanently to this man, not only is he a Communist, he is a Jew”. </p>
<p>My father never hid, he never cowered. He stood proud and tall.  He refused protection. It was instilled into me never to be afraid even whilst the death threats were current and I was only allowed out with Police protection. </p>
<p>Let’s stand up and be counted with no more hiding.”</p>
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		By: Michael		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2013 04:06:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Raoul 
I&#039;m afraid you are wasting your time it&#039;s a
 Lost cause 
Political correctness is a disease .]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Raoul<br />
I&#8217;m afraid you are wasting your time it&#8217;s a<br />
 Lost cause<br />
Political correctness is a disease .</p>
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		By: David		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Feb 2013 23:24:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[By the way JWire-niks the term is &#039;multiculturalism&#039; not &#039;multiculturism&#039;.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By the way JWire-niks the term is &#8216;multiculturalism&#8217; not &#8216;multiculturism&#8217;.</p>
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		By: Shlomith		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Shlomith]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Feb 2013 19:50:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[This article espouses ludicrous sentiments. Mr Geert Wilders, a man I highly respect, has one main agenda: the anti-islamisation of the West (i.e. the preservation of our wonderful, freedom-loving Judeo-Christian way of life).
To muddy his message with the broad brush of &quot;multiculturalism&quot; is to miss his astute policies and his bravery for saying out loud what so many people feel and think.
&quot;Mutilculturalism is an experiment which has failed.&quot;

It&#039;s interesting that a religion that bans intermarriage, eating and drinking with, or even looking like people outside the religion, pretends to approve &#039;mulitculturalism&#039; - it&#039;s good enough for the goyim but not good enough for us! Bah humbug!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This article espouses ludicrous sentiments. Mr Geert Wilders, a man I highly respect, has one main agenda: the anti-islamisation of the West (i.e. the preservation of our wonderful, freedom-loving Judeo-Christian way of life).<br />
To muddy his message with the broad brush of &#8220;multiculturalism&#8221; is to miss his astute policies and his bravery for saying out loud what so many people feel and think.<br />
&#8220;Mutilculturalism is an experiment which has failed.&#8221;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s interesting that a religion that bans intermarriage, eating and drinking with, or even looking like people outside the religion, pretends to approve &#8216;mulitculturalism&#8217; &#8211; it&#8217;s good enough for the goyim but not good enough for us! Bah humbug!</p>
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		By: Raoul		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Raoul]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Feb 2013 12:41:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Support for multicult is  advancing the destruction of our Judaeo-Christian and Humanistic civilisation. Multicult is nihilistic moral relativism. It turns suicidal when it comes to the one totalitarian ideology, which has the destruction of Jews and Israel at its very core. These self-proclaimed community leaders remind me of what can be said about the Judenraete. The Muslim Brotherhood, Ahmadinejad and Hizb&#039;Allah will be laughing all the way to Al Quds.

You may want to keep the active participation of JCCV &#038; Co in the demise of our Western civilisation in mind when they send out their next &quot;please donate&quot; letter. 

If you do not understand the matter from an Islamic point, do yourself and your kids a favour and read the book &#039;Al Yahud&#039;, which was written by the fellow speaker of Mr Wilders Australia Tour, Sam Solomon, a former Koran scholar. It is available via Amazon or here: http://skipngirl.com.au/qshop/index.php?route=product/product&#038;product_id=55]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Support for multicult is  advancing the destruction of our Judaeo-Christian and Humanistic civilisation. Multicult is nihilistic moral relativism. It turns suicidal when it comes to the one totalitarian ideology, which has the destruction of Jews and Israel at its very core. These self-proclaimed community leaders remind me of what can be said about the Judenraete. The Muslim Brotherhood, Ahmadinejad and Hizb&#8217;Allah will be laughing all the way to Al Quds.</p>
<p>You may want to keep the active participation of JCCV &amp; Co in the demise of our Western civilisation in mind when they send out their next &#8220;please donate&#8221; letter. </p>
<p>If you do not understand the matter from an Islamic point, do yourself and your kids a favour and read the book &#8216;Al Yahud&#8217;, which was written by the fellow speaker of Mr Wilders Australia Tour, Sam Solomon, a former Koran scholar. It is available via Amazon or here: <a href="http://skipngirl.com.au/qshop/index.php?route=product/product&#038;product_id=55" rel="nofollow ugc">http://skipngirl.com.au/qshop/index.php?route=product/product&#038;product_id=55</a></p>
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