Michael

We can but keep trying and one day, who knows, maybe the penny will drop.

I can’t see how they can’t see that it’s the Arabs who don’t want peace. Goodness only know they could have had many times. According to Abbas too. In his own words

“It was a mistake to reject the Jewish State in 1947.
It is a mistake to reject the Jewish State now!
It was our mistake
It was an Arab mistake as a whole”

However I think your comments about Hamas ‘in your 2009 op- ed in the Sydney Morning Herald

http://www.smh.com.au/news/opinion/shocking-cynicism-of-a-poisoned-homeland/2009/01/07/1231004100045.html

”Hamas is not a terrorist organization, but the legitimate, democratically elected government of the Palestinian Authority.”

tells us something about your blind support for the Palestinians Sara, no doubt if you were a German in 1938 you would be also be arguing The Nazi party is our elected legitimate government so the International community should accept them as so.

You are right Shirlee waste of time debating with these types who would gladly accept Israel as a state overrun by Muslims and the Jews as a minority.

Michael Burd

Michael

I don’t think these people want to see the truth. I don’t think they could if it hit them in the face.

I typed a huge reply last night to Sara and then deleted it, as I couldn’t see the point of it.

I would like her to check out this link though, to a book

http://www.think-israel.org/goldreich.palestina.html

Palestina by Hadriani Relandi — its original professional name Palaestina, ex monumentis veteribus illustrata, published by Trajecti Batavorum: Ex Libraria G. Brodelet, 1714.

“Most of the land was empty, desolate, and the inhabitants few in number and mostly concentrate in the towns Jerusalem, Acco, Tzfat, Jaffa, Tiberius and Gaza. Most of the inhabitants were Jews and the rest Christians. There were few Muslims, mostly nomad Bedouins. Nablus, known as Shchem, was exceptional, where approximately 120 people, members of the Muslim Natsha family and approximately 70 Shomronites, lived. ”

Another too “Innocents Abroad” by Mark Twain, written if I my memory serves me correct in the middle of the 19th century. It is available as a free download

Both of these give a good account as to the makeup of the population

On November 29 th 1947 the UN adopted a resolution declaring Israel an Independent state , even your country Australia voted for this resolution. Yes or No ?

Do you accept UN resolution 181 declaring Israel a state is valid .?

Notwithstanding the Arabs were not happy about the UN Vote are you condoning the onslaught by the Arabs the day after and the endless wars up until today?

Do you agree if the Arabs had accepted the umpires decision we would not be in the position we see today between Israel and the Arabs?

Sara If the Palestinians were in fact there before the Jews were granted their state what was their language, what was their official currency , what was their flag?

What in heaven’s name is ugly about what I wrote? Want ugly? Try a few pro-Palestinian sites I read. There’s ugliness in all its glory

Do I believe what? What are you talking about.?

If you can’t see they don’t want peace, then you have issues. The chance has been there repeatedly and each time it has been refused.

Maybe you should see the videos released daily from PAL TV if you think they want peace,

Check out this link

http://palwatch.org/main.aspx?fi=157&doc_id=7573

The song, called On the way to Jerusalem, mentions cities and places all over Israel, but declares them “Palestinian.” This is a clear example of the PA’s policy to present a world in which Israel does not exist and is replaced by “Palestine.”

Since Palestinian Media Watch first reported on the song in May 2011, it has appeared nearly once a month on PA TV.

PA TV has broadcast another song with a similar message numerous times:
“I am returning to you, oh land. From Rafah to Rosh Hanikra (northern Israel) our coast, and Beit Shean (Israeli city)… From Haifa (Israeli city) and Tantura to the [Jordan] valley (i.e., all of Israel). I am returning to you, the purest land, oh land of the free.”

This song was performed in front of PA Chairman Abbas and other senior PA officials at a Fatah event in 2011. Since then, PA TV has broadcast it more than 30 times.

PA TV is directly controlled by the office of PA Chairman Mahmoud Abbas.

The following are the words of the song On the way to Jerusalem:

“Jaffa, Acre, Haifa, and Nazareth are ours.
[ I ], Muhammad, sing about the Galilee and the Golan (Heights).
Jaffa, Acre, Haifa and Nazareth are ours.
[ I ], Kabha, sing about the Galilee and the Golan (Heights).
From Bethlehem to Jenin is Palestinian,
Ramle, Lod and Sakhnin are Palestinian.
Nowhere is more beautiful than Jerusalem;
no matter how much we travel
From Safed to Al-Badhan (near Nablus) is Palestinian;
Tiberias and Ashkelon are Palestinian.”
[PA TV (Fatah), May 13, 2011 and June 24, July 14, July 15 (twice),
Aug. 20, Sept. 2, 2011, and again Jan. 5, 8, Feb. 25, March 19,
April 6, July 27, Aug. 3, 10, 23, and Oct. 5, 2012

That goes without saying, though in saying that, the Arab population at the time was very small. Most of the Arabs in Gaza, West Bank and Israel came from Egypt when the Jewish people made the desert bloom.

How do I know this?

My father was there at the time and census records show it.

But not to the detriment of the people already living there, Shirlee. You need to mention that too about the Mandate.

Burdy.