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		By: DAVID SINGER		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[Brian:

You state:
&quot;The now trashed Trump ‘deal of the century’ with its laughable 70% ‘offer’ is evidence enough; a series of fragmented ever shrinking enclaves surrounded by unlawful settlements is not a state.&quot;

Look at the Trump plans annexed to the Deal and stop swallowing PLO propaganda. 

The offer of 70% of Judea and Samaria will give the Palestinian Arabs a state that is territorially connected by a series of roads, tunnels and bridges.

It is the only plan offered in 100 years that can settle the Arab-Jewish conflict.

You want to go backwards to more conflict instead of forwards to ending conflict that is becoming so infectious in the Arab world - witness UAE, Bahrain, Sudan and Morocco.

Wallow in your doom and gloom.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brian:</p>
<p>You state:<br />
&#8220;The now trashed Trump ‘deal of the century’ with its laughable 70% ‘offer’ is evidence enough; a series of fragmented ever shrinking enclaves surrounded by unlawful settlements is not a state.&#8221;</p>
<p>Look at the Trump plans annexed to the Deal and stop swallowing PLO propaganda. </p>
<p>The offer of 70% of Judea and Samaria will give the Palestinian Arabs a state that is territorially connected by a series of roads, tunnels and bridges.</p>
<p>It is the only plan offered in 100 years that can settle the Arab-Jewish conflict.</p>
<p>You want to go backwards to more conflict instead of forwards to ending conflict that is becoming so infectious in the Arab world &#8211; witness UAE, Bahrain, Sudan and Morocco.</p>
<p>Wallow in your doom and gloom.</p>
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		By: Brian Rom		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2020 22:29:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[These alliances have little to do with peace and much to do with Israel’s strategy to sideline and bully the Palestinians. The now trashed Trump ‘deal of the century’ with its laughable 70% ‘offer’ is evidence enough; a series of fragmented ever shrinking enclaves surrounded by unlawful settlements is not a state. Benjamin Pogrund (former South African journalist now Israeli writer) who in 2006 argued that Israel was not practicing Apartheid said he’d reverse his position if the Trump plan proceeded. He’s wrong, we’re already there. 

Obviously, if you live in a universe where settlements are legal and you had scant regard for Palestinians rights to self determination in the first place you’ll see things differently. But these views are underscored by flawed interpretations of international law, selective morality, exceptionalism and, at worst, unbecoming racism. The overly technical and bizarre legal arguments of the extreme right (missing reversioner, 1920 mandate, Art 80) have no legal or moral merit. No current disinterested legal scholar, judge or ex judge supports them. They run counter to the spirit and the letter of humanitarian legal instruments and produce a profoundly unjust outcome.

The ICJ held that both Israel’s occupation of the West Bank (2004) and Morocco’s occupation of Western Sahara (1975) violates international law. That position will never change no matter who is in the White House. The Morocco deal rests on a double violation of international law.  Quite an achievement, though, that under his presidency, Trump and his Secretary of State went against both rulings, although unsurprising for someone  who had contempt for legal institutions, was fundamentally biased and probably had no grasp of the issues.  

Israel’s new allies claim to have heroically spared the Palestinians an annexation they must know the Israeli right have no intention of abandoning (a 70% offer involves annexation which you appear to support). The bad faith on both sides is unbelievable. Were any of these states true democracies it is doubtful their own citizens would permit this - some polls show they overwhelmingly don’t. 

Israel can fantasise about normalisation all it likes but it will never have moral acceptability anywhere (including among an increasing number of younger Jews) if what it’s actually trying to do is normalise an illegal occupation. And as long as it remains in effective control of millions of disenfranchised Palestinians it is not a democracy even by the low standards of it’s new found allies.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These alliances have little to do with peace and much to do with Israel’s strategy to sideline and bully the Palestinians. The now trashed Trump ‘deal of the century’ with its laughable 70% ‘offer’ is evidence enough; a series of fragmented ever shrinking enclaves surrounded by unlawful settlements is not a state. Benjamin Pogrund (former South African journalist now Israeli writer) who in 2006 argued that Israel was not practicing Apartheid said he’d reverse his position if the Trump plan proceeded. He’s wrong, we’re already there. </p>
<p>Obviously, if you live in a universe where settlements are legal and you had scant regard for Palestinians rights to self determination in the first place you’ll see things differently. But these views are underscored by flawed interpretations of international law, selective morality, exceptionalism and, at worst, unbecoming racism. The overly technical and bizarre legal arguments of the extreme right (missing reversioner, 1920 mandate, Art 80) have no legal or moral merit. No current disinterested legal scholar, judge or ex judge supports them. They run counter to the spirit and the letter of humanitarian legal instruments and produce a profoundly unjust outcome.</p>
<p>The ICJ held that both Israel’s occupation of the West Bank (2004) and Morocco’s occupation of Western Sahara (1975) violates international law. That position will never change no matter who is in the White House. The Morocco deal rests on a double violation of international law.  Quite an achievement, though, that under his presidency, Trump and his Secretary of State went against both rulings, although unsurprising for someone  who had contempt for legal institutions, was fundamentally biased and probably had no grasp of the issues.  </p>
<p>Israel’s new allies claim to have heroically spared the Palestinians an annexation they must know the Israeli right have no intention of abandoning (a 70% offer involves annexation which you appear to support). The bad faith on both sides is unbelievable. Were any of these states true democracies it is doubtful their own citizens would permit this &#8211; some polls show they overwhelmingly don’t. </p>
<p>Israel can fantasise about normalisation all it likes but it will never have moral acceptability anywhere (including among an increasing number of younger Jews) if what it’s actually trying to do is normalise an illegal occupation. And as long as it remains in effective control of millions of disenfranchised Palestinians it is not a democracy even by the low standards of it’s new found allies.</p>
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