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		By: Otto Waldmann		</title>
		<link>https://www.jwire.com.au/invited-break-silence/#comment-109199</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Otto Waldmann]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Aug 2014 14:35:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[There are quite a few things which can be taken for granted.

- while I do not know the precise identity of the names listed, let&#039;s agree that they are Jews by certain standards
- perusing the qualifications, we can assume that some on the list are well educated
- critising the same for not participating in the mainstream Jewish community, largely seen as a solid Zionist lot,  is redundant. By listing their names to such a statement no one would expect any of them to be ardent Zionists
It is far more important to establish what could be some of the common ground reasons of these people .
One immediate conclusion is that all signatories consider only partially a reality to which they would be witnesses. The extrapolation from  the complete causes of the conflict and, implicitly, the singular attachment of  blame on Israel for a sum of atrocities is indicative of a number of serious shortcomings by the signatories in acknowledging ethical principles by which  all parties involved in the conflict must be considered.
The most relevant ethical issues are :
 &quot; Is use of force acceptable when explicit threat to life is apparent !&quot;   This is associated with the specific preamble &quot; Can Gaza and its occupants be considered an existential threat to the Jews of Israel !!&quot;. To this we must also consider &quot; Are the Jews of Israel justified in taking precautions in stopping the people of Gaza to execute their ostensive intent of harming the Jews of Israel !&quot;Then, follows: &quot; Considering the circumstances of the known  foes of Israel, can Israel, in exercising its right to defend itself avoid affecting those  Gazans not directly involved in the actual attack on Israel !!&quot;.
None of the ethical questions can be dispensed with, they are organically , indispensably, mutually inclusive, interdependent. 
Those who signed that farcical document, infested with fallacies of the highest order,  are intentionally avoiding the obvious issues as per my list and find umbrage in distorted ideological concoctions, some out of some 
deeply carved frustrations, some by extending visceral antipathies for spiritual &quot;issues&quot;, some acting under some ego-prominence syndrome and some by being plain stupid  in spite of  acquiring positions of formal respectability. 
I have locked horns with a few over the years and I must confess that they have constantly given me that priceless satisfaction of finding them ideal dialectical punch-bags. As about Ms Porzsolt, a very, very sad case, never mind the &quot;punch&quot;, just a schmate bag will do....]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are quite a few things which can be taken for granted.</p>
<p>&#8211; while I do not know the precise identity of the names listed, let&#8217;s agree that they are Jews by certain standards<br />
&#8211; perusing the qualifications, we can assume that some on the list are well educated<br />
&#8211; critising the same for not participating in the mainstream Jewish community, largely seen as a solid Zionist lot,  is redundant. By listing their names to such a statement no one would expect any of them to be ardent Zionists<br />
It is far more important to establish what could be some of the common ground reasons of these people .<br />
One immediate conclusion is that all signatories consider only partially a reality to which they would be witnesses. The extrapolation from  the complete causes of the conflict and, implicitly, the singular attachment of  blame on Israel for a sum of atrocities is indicative of a number of serious shortcomings by the signatories in acknowledging ethical principles by which  all parties involved in the conflict must be considered.<br />
The most relevant ethical issues are :<br />
 &#8221; Is use of force acceptable when explicit threat to life is apparent !&#8221;   This is associated with the specific preamble &#8221; Can Gaza and its occupants be considered an existential threat to the Jews of Israel !!&#8221;. To this we must also consider &#8221; Are the Jews of Israel justified in taking precautions in stopping the people of Gaza to execute their ostensive intent of harming the Jews of Israel !&#8221;Then, follows: &#8221; Considering the circumstances of the known  foes of Israel, can Israel, in exercising its right to defend itself avoid affecting those  Gazans not directly involved in the actual attack on Israel !!&#8221;.<br />
None of the ethical questions can be dispensed with, they are organically , indispensably, mutually inclusive, interdependent.<br />
Those who signed that farcical document, infested with fallacies of the highest order,  are intentionally avoiding the obvious issues as per my list and find umbrage in distorted ideological concoctions, some out of some<br />
deeply carved frustrations, some by extending visceral antipathies for spiritual &#8220;issues&#8221;, some acting under some ego-prominence syndrome and some by being plain stupid  in spite of  acquiring positions of formal respectability.<br />
I have locked horns with a few over the years and I must confess that they have constantly given me that priceless satisfaction of finding them ideal dialectical punch-bags. As about Ms Porzsolt, a very, very sad case, never mind the &#8220;punch&#8221;, just a schmate bag will do&#8230;.</p>
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		By: Joe Bergman		</title>
		<link>https://www.jwire.com.au/invited-break-silence/#comment-108157</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2014 06:58:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.jwire.com.au/invited-break-silence/#comment-106997&quot;&gt;Yosi Tal&lt;/a&gt;.

Yeah, one doesn&#039;t cease being a Jew because one eats pork or doesn&#039;t practice the faith. Excluding or condemning someone because they don&#039;t follow your extreme right wing nationalism is no better behaviour than the people we claim to be morally superior to. We are allowing (and actively participating in) the conversion of our homeland into a thug state. They say those who don&#039;t learn from history are doomed to repeat its mistakes. You people and your extremist nationalist BS are living proof of this.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.jwire.com.au/invited-break-silence/#comment-106997">Yosi Tal</a>.</p>
<p>Yeah, one doesn&#8217;t cease being a Jew because one eats pork or doesn&#8217;t practice the faith. Excluding or condemning someone because they don&#8217;t follow your extreme right wing nationalism is no better behaviour than the people we claim to be morally superior to. We are allowing (and actively participating in) the conversion of our homeland into a thug state. They say those who don&#8217;t learn from history are doomed to repeat its mistakes. You people and your extremist nationalist BS are living proof of this.</p>
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		By: Yosi Tal		</title>
		<link>https://www.jwire.com.au/invited-break-silence/#comment-106997</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Yosi Tal]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2014 11:07:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.jwire.com.au/invited-break-silence/#comment-105905&quot;&gt;Deborah Robinson&lt;/a&gt;.

most are pork eating,non synagogue attenders who are not jews.THEY GAVE UP THAT RIGHT LONG AGO....]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.jwire.com.au/invited-break-silence/#comment-105905">Deborah Robinson</a>.</p>
<p>most are pork eating,non synagogue attenders who are not jews.THEY GAVE UP THAT RIGHT LONG AGO&#8230;.</p>
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		By: Catherine White		</title>
		<link>https://www.jwire.com.au/invited-break-silence/#comment-106970</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Catherine White]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2014 10:09:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The self-hating Jew George Soros frees his fund from its Israeli assets. Most of Hollywood’s stars, with the  exception of Jon Voight, tweet anti-Semitism. In the UK, commercial chains such as John Lewis and Tesco, boycott Israeli goods.

The Nobel Prize-winning Amnesty International, which once bravely fought for Andrei Sakharov, Boris Pasternak’s wife and Natan Sharansky, asked the US to stop sending fuel for Israeli tanks. Spain’s most revered writer, Antonio Gala, cites the war between Israel and Hamas as retroactive justification for the expulsion of Jews from Spain in the 15th century. 

The former director of Unesco, the UN’s cultural agency, Federico Mayor Zaragoza, joins the boycott of the Israeli Jews. Lawrence Weschler, for twenty years a writer for The New Yorker weekly magazine, compares Gaza to Dachau and Theresienstadt.

Moreover, the world can hardly wait to see the Israelis at the dock of the Hague tribunal. Moshe Yaalon like Hermann Göring?

And so just add these educated Jews to the growing list of politically correct anti zionists. Indeed, within so called enlightened, polite societies anti zionism  nothing more than a veneer for anti semitism.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The self-hating Jew George Soros frees his fund from its Israeli assets. Most of Hollywood’s stars, with the  exception of Jon Voight, tweet anti-Semitism. In the UK, commercial chains such as John Lewis and Tesco, boycott Israeli goods.</p>
<p>The Nobel Prize-winning Amnesty International, which once bravely fought for Andrei Sakharov, Boris Pasternak’s wife and Natan Sharansky, asked the US to stop sending fuel for Israeli tanks. Spain’s most revered writer, Antonio Gala, cites the war between Israel and Hamas as retroactive justification for the expulsion of Jews from Spain in the 15th century. </p>
<p>The former director of Unesco, the UN’s cultural agency, Federico Mayor Zaragoza, joins the boycott of the Israeli Jews. Lawrence Weschler, for twenty years a writer for The New Yorker weekly magazine, compares Gaza to Dachau and Theresienstadt.</p>
<p>Moreover, the world can hardly wait to see the Israelis at the dock of the Hague tribunal. Moshe Yaalon like Hermann Göring?</p>
<p>And so just add these educated Jews to the growing list of politically correct anti zionists. Indeed, within so called enlightened, polite societies anti zionism  nothing more than a veneer for anti semitism.</p>
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		By: Scott Leonard		</title>
		<link>https://www.jwire.com.au/invited-break-silence/#comment-106365</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Scott Leonard]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2014 10:20:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[If these people are not with us, then they must be against us but we are stronger without them.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If these people are not with us, then they must be against us but we are stronger without them.</p>
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		By: david singer		</title>
		<link>https://www.jwire.com.au/invited-break-silence/#comment-106143</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[david singer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2014 02:20:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The photo of Vivienne Porzsolt standing in front of a &quot;Free Palestine&quot; banner says it all in those two powerful words:

1. Free Palestine from Hamas

2. Free Palestine from the PLO

3. Free Palestine from Islamic Jihad

4. Free Palestine from ISIS

5. Free Palestine from the Palestine Liberation Front

6. Free Palestine from Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine

7. Free Palestine from Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine - General Command

8. Free Palestine from the Popular Resistance Committees

9. Free Palestine from the Al-Nasser Salah al-Deen Brigades.

10. Free Palestine to enable free elections to be held.

11. Free Palestine from a President whose use by date expired 5 years ago

12. Free Palestine to enable us to see the day when the Palestinian Arabs can get 164 people to sign a similar open letter to that posted here by 164 Jews without fear of being dragged away and never being seen again.

13. Free Palestine from being ruled by leaders like those who rejected offers that could have led to a Palestinian Arab State in 1922, 1937, 1947, at any time between 1948-1967,2000, 2005, 2008 and 2014.

14. Free Palestine from well-intentioned but gullible Jews who give aid and support to Islamic terrorist groups holding no respect for the sanctity of life of Gaza&#039;s civilian population


Ms Porzsolt: Will you and your co-signatories be prepared to join me and sign this as an open letter?

Please indicate your consents by replying to this post so I can add your names.

Anyone else who wants to support such an open letter or suggest additions or amendments should also respond.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The photo of Vivienne Porzsolt standing in front of a &#8220;Free Palestine&#8221; banner says it all in those two powerful words:</p>
<p>1. Free Palestine from Hamas</p>
<p>2. Free Palestine from the PLO</p>
<p>3. Free Palestine from Islamic Jihad</p>
<p>4. Free Palestine from ISIS</p>
<p>5. Free Palestine from the Palestine Liberation Front</p>
<p>6. Free Palestine from Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine</p>
<p>7. Free Palestine from Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine &#8211; General Command</p>
<p>8. Free Palestine from the Popular Resistance Committees</p>
<p>9. Free Palestine from the Al-Nasser Salah al-Deen Brigades.</p>
<p>10. Free Palestine to enable free elections to be held.</p>
<p>11. Free Palestine from a President whose use by date expired 5 years ago</p>
<p>12. Free Palestine to enable us to see the day when the Palestinian Arabs can get 164 people to sign a similar open letter to that posted here by 164 Jews without fear of being dragged away and never being seen again.</p>
<p>13. Free Palestine from being ruled by leaders like those who rejected offers that could have led to a Palestinian Arab State in 1922, 1937, 1947, at any time between 1948-1967,2000, 2005, 2008 and 2014.</p>
<p>14. Free Palestine from well-intentioned but gullible Jews who give aid and support to Islamic terrorist groups holding no respect for the sanctity of life of Gaza&#8217;s civilian population</p>
<p>Ms Porzsolt: Will you and your co-signatories be prepared to join me and sign this as an open letter?</p>
<p>Please indicate your consents by replying to this post so I can add your names.</p>
<p>Anyone else who wants to support such an open letter or suggest additions or amendments should also respond.</p>
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		By: Sam Goldman		</title>
		<link>https://www.jwire.com.au/invited-break-silence/#comment-106079</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sam Goldman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2014 00:27:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.jwire.com.au/invited-break-silence/#comment-106024&quot;&gt;Nima Asadi&lt;/a&gt;.

There is no doubt that the defenders of the Warsaw Ghetto were called terrorists by the Nazis, tunnels or not. 
But then and today there was/is a name for similar signatories as are on this list and it was/is COLLABORATORS. We know what the Nazis did to those then, the same as HARM US is doing today (only worse).]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.jwire.com.au/invited-break-silence/#comment-106024">Nima Asadi</a>.</p>
<p>There is no doubt that the defenders of the Warsaw Ghetto were called terrorists by the Nazis, tunnels or not.<br />
But then and today there was/is a name for similar signatories as are on this list and it was/is COLLABORATORS. We know what the Nazis did to those then, the same as HARM US is doing today (only worse).</p>
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		By: Nima Asadi		</title>
		<link>https://www.jwire.com.au/invited-break-silence/#comment-106024</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nima Asadi]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2014 21:49:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.jwire.com.au/invited-break-silence/#comment-105664&quot;&gt;Sam Goldman&lt;/a&gt;.

If Murdoch was around back then, the Jews in the Warsaw ghettos who dug tunnels and rebelled would have also been &#039;terrorists&#039; in your eyes.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.jwire.com.au/invited-break-silence/#comment-105664">Sam Goldman</a>.</p>
<p>If Murdoch was around back then, the Jews in the Warsaw ghettos who dug tunnels and rebelled would have also been &#8216;terrorists&#8217; in your eyes.</p>
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		By: Nima Asadi		</title>
		<link>https://www.jwire.com.au/invited-break-silence/#comment-106021</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nima Asadi]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2014 21:47:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.jwire.com.au/invited-break-silence/#comment-105665&quot;&gt;MIchael Burd&lt;/a&gt;.

I don&#039;t know if you are extremely racist or just plain retarded.

Saying that killing Palestinian children and innocent people is not somehow being pro-HAMAS or anti Judaism.

Unless of course you are saying that only Muslims have the decency to acknowledge this as wrong.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.jwire.com.au/invited-break-silence/#comment-105665">MIchael Burd</a>.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know if you are extremely racist or just plain retarded.</p>
<p>Saying that killing Palestinian children and innocent people is not somehow being pro-HAMAS or anti Judaism.</p>
<p>Unless of course you are saying that only Muslims have the decency to acknowledge this as wrong.</p>
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		By: Deborah Robinson		</title>
		<link>https://www.jwire.com.au/invited-break-silence/#comment-105905</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Deborah Robinson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2014 16:53:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.jwire.com.au/invited-break-silence/#comment-105775&quot;&gt;Andrew Barak&lt;/a&gt;.

They don&#039;t deserve to be classified as part of the Jewish population]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.jwire.com.au/invited-break-silence/#comment-105775">Andrew Barak</a>.</p>
<p>They don&#8217;t deserve to be classified as part of the Jewish population</p>
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