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		By: Otto Waldmann		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Otto Waldmann]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.jwire.com.au/graf-orator-says-judaism-is-not-a-religion/#comment-21965&quot;&gt;Shlomith&lt;/a&gt;.

Very nicely and aptly put, not to mention that the opposite to &quot; Re-ligens&quot;, fearing G-d, pious, is &quot;ne-ligens&quot;, negligent, a term to consider and not neglect....
It also orginates with the Greek &quot;alegein&quot; to reverence]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.jwire.com.au/graf-orator-says-judaism-is-not-a-religion/#comment-21965">Shlomith</a>.</p>
<p>Very nicely and aptly put, not to mention that the opposite to &#8221; Re-ligens&#8221;, fearing G-d, pious, is &#8220;ne-ligens&#8221;, negligent, a term to consider and not neglect&#8230;.<br />
It also orginates with the Greek &#8220;alegein&#8221; to reverence</p>
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		By: Shlomith		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Shlomith]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Sep 2012 13:57:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[New American Dictionary ~ provenance of the word &#039;religion&#039;:

ORIGIN: Middle English from Old French, or from Latin religio(n-) ‘obligation, bond, reverence,’ based on Latin religare ‘to bind.’

Since Judaism is an eternal bond, obligation and reverence for Hashem, I would say it can surely be defined as a religion.

More than that, Jews are a FAMILY. The Children of Jacob. B&#039;H!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>New American Dictionary ~ provenance of the word &#8216;religion&#8217;:</p>
<p>ORIGIN: Middle English from Old French, or from Latin religio(n-) ‘obligation, bond, reverence,’ based on Latin religare ‘to bind.’</p>
<p>Since Judaism is an eternal bond, obligation and reverence for Hashem, I would say it can surely be defined as a religion.</p>
<p>More than that, Jews are a FAMILY. The Children of Jacob. B&#8217;H!</p>
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		By: Shlomith		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Shlomith]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Sep 2012 13:48:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s people like A. Infeld who provoke antisemitism. He shuns Jews being mentioned in the same breath as Protestants and Catholics, yet would be the first to cry &quot;Antisemite&quot; if others were to discriminate against him in such a way.

Unity and peace are G-dly. Israel is a light to the nations.
Infeld has cast only darkness with his narrow-minded comments.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s people like A. Infeld who provoke antisemitism. He shuns Jews being mentioned in the same breath as Protestants and Catholics, yet would be the first to cry &#8220;Antisemite&#8221; if others were to discriminate against him in such a way.</p>
<p>Unity and peace are G-dly. Israel is a light to the nations.<br />
Infeld has cast only darkness with his narrow-minded comments.</p>
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		By: Otto Waldmann		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Otto Waldmann]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2012 23:37:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I agree with Jim and also, partly with my full friend Paul.

Provocative as the smart Avraham is,  he is only offering a vorspeis for what is  quite a necessary incursion into the ACTUAL validity of Judaism.
To the mind accustomed to easy foray into existential formulas, Judaism as religion is good enough. A Jew should follow the traditions and that shall make him aceptable to his fellow Jews and himself as well.
Try going beyond the comforts of etymological norms and you get scores of comments as most of the ones above, but,  most definitely ATTENTION. Yet, the main question remains: is there room for listening to the provocative proposition. I hope so...................

Therefore, Judaism , to me, is the splendid compilation of ethical substantive acts of pure CELESTIAL wisdom. By far the most consistent effort in inspiring the HUMAN into being what we are all MEANT to be. That protocols have been established by which the mind is condi tioned to observe and introspect with passion and enraged intellect ( enraged by the anxiewty to discover WITHIN the tenets of Judaism infinite values ) its edifice,  is preciesly what gives the FALSE impression that the&quot;practice&quot; of Judaism is analogue to what Avraham objected as being on the par with his fortunate choice - or his parents - of devotion. True, the religions listed alongside Judaism on that billboard are vastly distinct from Judaism, and I cannot abuse Henry&#039;s patience in developing the distinctive contents , and the unifying term of &quot;religions&quot; as a melting notional ...mish-mash, does not do justice to the stark distinctions. Circle closed !
To be fair, the &quot;others&quot; have tried, and to a great extent succeeded, to emulate in populist terms - mind you - the  said existential construct that Judaism has arrived at long before &quot;they&quot; launched their product, but those &quot;others&quot; are as much a &quot;non-religion&quot; as Avraham is spruiking his own original ( actally not so ) &quot;Original and Best&quot; ethical spiel.I, for one, I have seen this little game played by  so many others for centuries now.
So ,semitic semantics are at play here and all and sundry are welcome to fall pre(a)y to it ................]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Jim and also, partly with my full friend Paul.</p>
<p>Provocative as the smart Avraham is,  he is only offering a vorspeis for what is  quite a necessary incursion into the ACTUAL validity of Judaism.<br />
To the mind accustomed to easy foray into existential formulas, Judaism as religion is good enough. A Jew should follow the traditions and that shall make him aceptable to his fellow Jews and himself as well.<br />
Try going beyond the comforts of etymological norms and you get scores of comments as most of the ones above, but,  most definitely ATTENTION. Yet, the main question remains: is there room for listening to the provocative proposition. I hope so&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.</p>
<p>Therefore, Judaism , to me, is the splendid compilation of ethical substantive acts of pure CELESTIAL wisdom. By far the most consistent effort in inspiring the HUMAN into being what we are all MEANT to be. That protocols have been established by which the mind is condi tioned to observe and introspect with passion and enraged intellect ( enraged by the anxiewty to discover WITHIN the tenets of Judaism infinite values ) its edifice,  is preciesly what gives the FALSE impression that the&#8221;practice&#8221; of Judaism is analogue to what Avraham objected as being on the par with his fortunate choice &#8211; or his parents &#8211; of devotion. True, the religions listed alongside Judaism on that billboard are vastly distinct from Judaism, and I cannot abuse Henry&#8217;s patience in developing the distinctive contents , and the unifying term of &#8220;religions&#8221; as a melting notional &#8230;mish-mash, does not do justice to the stark distinctions. Circle closed !<br />
To be fair, the &#8220;others&#8221; have tried, and to a great extent succeeded, to emulate in populist terms &#8211; mind you &#8211; the  said existential construct that Judaism has arrived at long before &#8220;they&#8221; launched their product, but those &#8220;others&#8221; are as much a &#8220;non-religion&#8221; as Avraham is spruiking his own original ( actally not so ) &#8220;Original and Best&#8221; ethical spiel.I, for one, I have seen this little game played by  so many others for centuries now.<br />
So ,semitic semantics are at play here and all and sundry are welcome to fall pre(a)y to it &#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.</p>
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		By: EthanP		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[EthanP]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2012 14:27:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[For once, I am left speachless. So I&#039;ll stoop to this. Mr Infield, you are an ASS!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For once, I am left speachless. So I&#8217;ll stoop to this. Mr Infield, you are an ASS!</p>
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		By: Shirlee		</title>
		<link>https://www.jwire.com.au/graf-orator-says-judaism-is-not-a-religion/#comment-21760</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Shirlee]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2012 12:51:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[...........and this guy is presenting **the prestigious Ervin Graf Oration**??

My goodness, the mind boggles.

It doesn&#039;t say much for **the prestigious Ervin Graf Oration**

What a waste of $30 !!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..and this guy is presenting **the prestigious Ervin Graf Oration**??</p>
<p>My goodness, the mind boggles.</p>
<p>It doesn&#8217;t say much for **the prestigious Ervin Graf Oration**</p>
<p>What a waste of $30 !!</p>
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		By: Lynne Newington		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lynne Newington]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2012 10:26:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I love it!!!
He didn&#039;t mention Faith, and for me (who isn&#039;t Jewish), that&#039;s the  hidden and operative word.
I hope I haven&#039;t offended anyone.
Faith and Tradition, going back forever and a day.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love it!!!<br />
He didn&#8217;t mention Faith, and for me (who isn&#8217;t Jewish), that&#8217;s the  hidden and operative word.<br />
I hope I haven&#8217;t offended anyone.<br />
Faith and Tradition, going back forever and a day.</p>
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		By: Jim		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jim]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2012 08:36:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I agreee with Paul Winter, provocation is not great analytical thinking. Yes, of course Judaism is far more than &quot;just&quot; a religion, it is all of the things Paul - and even Infield - says it is but it is also a comprehensive view of what God is and how that explains the world we live in. We can debate how far that explanation may extend into the physical world on any scale but we cannot deny Judaism&#039;s contribution to an ordered view of a moral and civilised world. Interesting that one of Infield&#039;s 5 &quot;legs&quot; is the Covenant. How could that be if Judaism were not a religion?
Facile teasing may sell tickets to talks but it does little else to further understanding.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agreee with Paul Winter, provocation is not great analytical thinking. Yes, of course Judaism is far more than &#8220;just&#8221; a religion, it is all of the things Paul &#8211; and even Infield &#8211; says it is but it is also a comprehensive view of what God is and how that explains the world we live in. We can debate how far that explanation may extend into the physical world on any scale but we cannot deny Judaism&#8217;s contribution to an ordered view of a moral and civilised world. Interesting that one of Infield&#8217;s 5 &#8220;legs&#8221; is the Covenant. How could that be if Judaism were not a religion?<br />
Facile teasing may sell tickets to talks but it does little else to further understanding.</p>
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		By: Liat Nagar		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Liat Nagar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2012 08:09:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[You could ask similar questions of people who are Catholic or Protestant relating to their religion and get similar answers.  It would not mean that Christianity, either Catholic or Protestant, was not a religion, merely that those born to that faith didn&#039;t practise it.  Not a very clever word game, really.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You could ask similar questions of people who are Catholic or Protestant relating to their religion and get similar answers.  It would not mean that Christianity, either Catholic or Protestant, was not a religion, merely that those born to that faith didn&#8217;t practise it.  Not a very clever word game, really.</p>
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		By: gabrielle		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[gabrielle]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2012 07:29:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thanks Avraham.  Its about time to introduce some logic into this topic.  A significant proportion of Israelis are not religious does it mean that they are not Jewish?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Avraham.  Its about time to introduce some logic into this topic.  A significant proportion of Israelis are not religious does it mean that they are not Jewish?</p>
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