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		By: Leon Poddebsky		</title>
		<link>https://www.jwire.com.au/danby-responds-to-coultons-speech-in-parliament/#comment-247603</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Leon Poddebsky]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Sep 2017 20:15:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.jwire.com.au/danby-responds-to-coultons-speech-in-parliament/#comment-247579&quot;&gt;Dr Sylvia McCosker&lt;/a&gt;.

Dr McCosker, Mr Jackson&#039;s posts indicate a pattern of regarding facts as an inconvenience, with myth, fiction and fabrication greatly to be preferred.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.jwire.com.au/danby-responds-to-coultons-speech-in-parliament/#comment-247579">Dr Sylvia McCosker</a>.</p>
<p>Dr McCosker, Mr Jackson&#8217;s posts indicate a pattern of regarding facts as an inconvenience, with myth, fiction and fabrication greatly to be preferred.</p>
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		By: Dr Sylvia McCosker		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dr Sylvia McCosker]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Sep 2017 10:48:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[ADRIAN jackson, above, wrote -&quot; After all the Jews, Muslims and Christians who make most of the population are basically the same people with the same one God so what is all the fuss about.&quot;

WRONG.  Jews (Hebrews), the few Aramaic Christians (with Armenians and others thrown in, from all over), and the Arab (and Arabised) Muslims are NOT &#039;the same people&quot; in any meaningful sense of the word.  And as for &#039;the same one God&#039;, that is a nonsense.  Jews and Christians, yes, pretty much; Muslims, NO.  Read Mark Durie, &quot;Which God?&quot; - he shows, very clearly, what any number of others, down the years (not least, the great Jewish philosopher and theologian, Moses ben Maimon) have also understood - that the &#039;god&#039; of Islam is not merely *different* from the Biblical God, Ha-Shem, but... *antithetical*, fundamentally opposed, indeed, hostile. Everything that YHWH is, Allah is not.   

&quot;For 1500 years after the Romans left they all lived together without any serious problem with the Ottoman Empire running the show quite well for hundreds of years before WW1.&quot;

Read James Parkes and get a clue.  Islam was not in *existence* until the 6th century AD; between AD 135 and the 7th century  Muslim Arab invasion and occupation the land of Israel was essentially ruled by Rome and then by Rome&#039;s successor, Christian Byzantium.  Jews were a subjugated minority in Byzantium, but still fared better under Byzantine rule than they *or* the Christians *or* the Samaritans did when they were forced into the near-slave status of Dhimmis under the Muslim boot.  For what it is to be a Dhimmi, read 1/ Bat Yeor, &quot;The Dhimmi&quot; and &quot;The Decline of Eastern  Christianity Under Islam&quot; and 2/ Mark Durie, &quot;The Third Choice: Islam, Dhimmitude and Freedom&quot;. To be a dhimmi is to be Abused, systematically, continually, and cruelly, in every imaginable way: spiritually, psychologically, economically, often sexually, and to be in perpetual fear for your life.  THAT is what Jews, and Christians, and Samaritans, endured, under Muslim rule, whether Arab, Seljuk Turk, Mamluk, or Ottoman Turk.  Humiliated, degraded, exploited, and in constant physical peril, at the mercy of the capricious Muslim mob and the capricious Muslim despot and the rabid &#039;preacher&#039; in the mosque who at any minute might unloose the mob upon you.  Like living at the bottom of a predator pit. Buying your life... sort of.. by paying exorbitant &#039;protection&#039; money aka jizya.  No sane human being, once they fully understand what the dhimma system did to its victims, would *ever* dare to praise it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ADRIAN jackson, above, wrote -&#8221; After all the Jews, Muslims and Christians who make most of the population are basically the same people with the same one God so what is all the fuss about.&#8221;</p>
<p>WRONG.  Jews (Hebrews), the few Aramaic Christians (with Armenians and others thrown in, from all over), and the Arab (and Arabised) Muslims are NOT &#8216;the same people&#8221; in any meaningful sense of the word.  And as for &#8216;the same one God&#8217;, that is a nonsense.  Jews and Christians, yes, pretty much; Muslims, NO.  Read Mark Durie, &#8220;Which God?&#8221; &#8211; he shows, very clearly, what any number of others, down the years (not least, the great Jewish philosopher and theologian, Moses ben Maimon) have also understood &#8211; that the &#8216;god&#8217; of Islam is not merely *different* from the Biblical God, Ha-Shem, but&#8230; *antithetical*, fundamentally opposed, indeed, hostile. Everything that YHWH is, Allah is not.   </p>
<p>&#8220;For 1500 years after the Romans left they all lived together without any serious problem with the Ottoman Empire running the show quite well for hundreds of years before WW1.&#8221;</p>
<p>Read James Parkes and get a clue.  Islam was not in *existence* until the 6th century AD; between AD 135 and the 7th century  Muslim Arab invasion and occupation the land of Israel was essentially ruled by Rome and then by Rome&#8217;s successor, Christian Byzantium.  Jews were a subjugated minority in Byzantium, but still fared better under Byzantine rule than they *or* the Christians *or* the Samaritans did when they were forced into the near-slave status of Dhimmis under the Muslim boot.  For what it is to be a Dhimmi, read 1/ Bat Yeor, &#8220;The Dhimmi&#8221; and &#8220;The Decline of Eastern  Christianity Under Islam&#8221; and 2/ Mark Durie, &#8220;The Third Choice: Islam, Dhimmitude and Freedom&#8221;. To be a dhimmi is to be Abused, systematically, continually, and cruelly, in every imaginable way: spiritually, psychologically, economically, often sexually, and to be in perpetual fear for your life.  THAT is what Jews, and Christians, and Samaritans, endured, under Muslim rule, whether Arab, Seljuk Turk, Mamluk, or Ottoman Turk.  Humiliated, degraded, exploited, and in constant physical peril, at the mercy of the capricious Muslim mob and the capricious Muslim despot and the rabid &#8216;preacher&#8217; in the mosque who at any minute might unloose the mob upon you.  Like living at the bottom of a predator pit. Buying your life&#8230; sort of.. by paying exorbitant &#8216;protection&#8217; money aka jizya.  No sane human being, once they fully understand what the dhimma system did to its victims, would *ever* dare to praise it.</p>
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		By: Adrian Jackson		</title>
		<link>https://www.jwire.com.au/danby-responds-to-coultons-speech-in-parliament/#comment-247501</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Adrian Jackson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Sep 2017 13:07:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Looking at the map the pockets of Israeli and Palestinian land are unworkable. Some of the yellow areas could be cut off with a few small territorial claims by the blue areas. 

One option is to have partition like in India and Pakistan. without the blood shed, to distinct whole areas instead of a patch work of enclaves. 

Another option is call the whole area a new name as one country with all resident equal citizen in all respects. This will see similar numbers of each major group represented in the parliament. Other educated nations are able to have a multicultural population. 

After all the Jews, Muslims and Christians who make most of the population are basically the same people with the same one God so what is all the fuss about. 

For 1500 years after the Romans left they all lived together without any serious problem with the Ottoman Empire running the show quite well for hundreds of years before WW1.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looking at the map the pockets of Israeli and Palestinian land are unworkable. Some of the yellow areas could be cut off with a few small territorial claims by the blue areas. </p>
<p>One option is to have partition like in India and Pakistan. without the blood shed, to distinct whole areas instead of a patch work of enclaves. </p>
<p>Another option is call the whole area a new name as one country with all resident equal citizen in all respects. This will see similar numbers of each major group represented in the parliament. Other educated nations are able to have a multicultural population. </p>
<p>After all the Jews, Muslims and Christians who make most of the population are basically the same people with the same one God so what is all the fuss about. </p>
<p>For 1500 years after the Romans left they all lived together without any serious problem with the Ottoman Empire running the show quite well for hundreds of years before WW1.</p>
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		By: Leon Poddebsky		</title>
		<link>https://www.jwire.com.au/danby-responds-to-coultons-speech-in-parliament/#comment-247473</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Leon Poddebsky]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Sep 2017 08:03:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[You have to ask yourself why would a couple of Australian farmers, who live thousands of kilometres from the Middle East, and who are struggling with high energy prices, floods, droughts, bushfires, debt, poor harvests and the same-sex marriage issue, leave their farms and traipse off to the &quot;Palestinian&quot; Arab Terrorist Two-state  Refuser &#039;Authority&#039;; and, once there, to imbibe PalProp as voraciously as an Aussie farmer imbibes cold ones on a scorching summer&#039;s day.
Then on their return, regurgitate the trash in the august chamber of Australia&#039;s national parliament.
Don&#039;t tell me it&#039;s altruism or a lust for peace in the Middle East: the evidence would not support that fatuous assertion.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You have to ask yourself why would a couple of Australian farmers, who live thousands of kilometres from the Middle East, and who are struggling with high energy prices, floods, droughts, bushfires, debt, poor harvests and the same-sex marriage issue, leave their farms and traipse off to the &#8220;Palestinian&#8221; Arab Terrorist Two-state  Refuser &#8216;Authority&#8217;; and, once there, to imbibe PalProp as voraciously as an Aussie farmer imbibes cold ones on a scorching summer&#8217;s day.<br />
Then on their return, regurgitate the trash in the august chamber of Australia&#8217;s national parliament.<br />
Don&#8217;t tell me it&#8217;s altruism or a lust for peace in the Middle East: the evidence would not support that fatuous assertion.</p>
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		By: Adrian Jackson		</title>
		<link>https://www.jwire.com.au/danby-responds-to-coultons-speech-in-parliament/#comment-247468</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Adrian Jackson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Sep 2017 07:41:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.jwire.com.au/danby-responds-to-coultons-speech-in-parliament/#comment-247340&quot;&gt;john nemesh&lt;/a&gt;.

Australian parliamentary delegation from the Commonwealth and the various State Parliaments visit Israel annually and these visits are reported in J Wire and the AJN. Delegations also wrote a report of their visits too.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.jwire.com.au/danby-responds-to-coultons-speech-in-parliament/#comment-247340">john nemesh</a>.</p>
<p>Australian parliamentary delegation from the Commonwealth and the various State Parliaments visit Israel annually and these visits are reported in J Wire and the AJN. Delegations also wrote a report of their visits too.</p>
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		By: Adrian Jackson		</title>
		<link>https://www.jwire.com.au/danby-responds-to-coultons-speech-in-parliament/#comment-247466</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Adrian Jackson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Sep 2017 07:37:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.jwire.com.au/danby-responds-to-coultons-speech-in-parliament/#comment-247436&quot;&gt;Leon Poddebsky&lt;/a&gt;.

The Country Party in Australia was renames the National Party a few decades ago.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.jwire.com.au/danby-responds-to-coultons-speech-in-parliament/#comment-247436">Leon Poddebsky</a>.</p>
<p>The Country Party in Australia was renames the National Party a few decades ago.</p>
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		By: Leon Poddebsky		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Leon Poddebsky]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Sep 2017 23:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s an anti-Israel&#039;s existence lobby, not a &quot;pro-Palestinian lobby.&quot;
It subscribes to the longstanding Palestinian Arab  plan for the phased destruction of the national self-determination of Israel, a member of the U.N.
That phased plan is now supported also by various powerful sinister elements within the Australian Labor Party.
The plan explicitly envisages forcing Israel to relinquish security control over Judea and Samaria, which would then be established as a base for the final blow, which Israel&#039;s enemies in the West, including those in Australia, hope for.
The steadfast adherence to the final solution which that plan foresees was confirmed by the late  Egyptian/Plaestinian Arab fuhrer, Yasser Arafat, in Johannesburg shortly after he solemnly and deceitfully signed on to the Oslo Accords &quot;peace process.&quot;

Now that this Country Party clique has signed on to the Arafat agenda, who gives a tinker&#039;s curse about their &quot;admiration&quot; for Israel&#039;s achievements: they are in league with the international ideology that aims to destroy those achievements.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s an anti-Israel&#8217;s existence lobby, not a &#8220;pro-Palestinian lobby.&#8221;<br />
It subscribes to the longstanding Palestinian Arab  plan for the phased destruction of the national self-determination of Israel, a member of the U.N.<br />
That phased plan is now supported also by various powerful sinister elements within the Australian Labor Party.<br />
The plan explicitly envisages forcing Israel to relinquish security control over Judea and Samaria, which would then be established as a base for the final blow, which Israel&#8217;s enemies in the West, including those in Australia, hope for.<br />
The steadfast adherence to the final solution which that plan foresees was confirmed by the late  Egyptian/Plaestinian Arab fuhrer, Yasser Arafat, in Johannesburg shortly after he solemnly and deceitfully signed on to the Oslo Accords &#8220;peace process.&#8221;</p>
<p>Now that this Country Party clique has signed on to the Arafat agenda, who gives a tinker&#8217;s curse about their &#8220;admiration&#8221; for Israel&#8217;s achievements: they are in league with the international ideology that aims to destroy those achievements.</p>
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		By: john nemesh		</title>
		<link>https://www.jwire.com.au/danby-responds-to-coultons-speech-in-parliament/#comment-247340</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[john nemesh]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Sep 2017 10:16:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[now send him for the mirror  image trip to israel]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>now send him for the mirror  image trip to israel</p>
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		By: Adrian Jackson		</title>
		<link>https://www.jwire.com.au/danby-responds-to-coultons-speech-in-parliament/#comment-247310</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Adrian Jackson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Sep 2017 07:54:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The pro Palestine parliamentary delegation was visiting Palestine not Israel and were probably only in Israel as that is where the aerodrome is located. 

Remember the internationally funded aerodrome in Gaza was bombed by Israel soon after it was built decades ago. 

As far back as WW2 Gaza had an aerodrome that was used by 2nd AIF.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The pro Palestine parliamentary delegation was visiting Palestine not Israel and were probably only in Israel as that is where the aerodrome is located. </p>
<p>Remember the internationally funded aerodrome in Gaza was bombed by Israel soon after it was built decades ago. </p>
<p>As far back as WW2 Gaza had an aerodrome that was used by 2nd AIF.</p>
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