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		By: Otto Waldmann		</title>
		<link>https://www.jwire.com.au/bds-motion-sparks-strong-reaction/#comment-21053</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Otto Waldmann]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2012 20:27:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.jwire.com.au/bds-motion-sparks-strong-reaction/#comment-20852&quot;&gt;Noah&lt;/a&gt;.

Zionist Noah !

From your strange yoga position on logic, how did you arrive at the notion of Australian Labor being such a reliable supporter of Israel, considering, let&#039;s say, known facts !? That also should include the &quot;treatement &quot;Danby seems to receive from the Jewish News (sic).
No tricks here, Bob Carr, as the main exponent of Labor foreign ideology, must not be avoided.

Zionist Otto]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.jwire.com.au/bds-motion-sparks-strong-reaction/#comment-20852">Noah</a>.</p>
<p>Zionist Noah !</p>
<p>From your strange yoga position on logic, how did you arrive at the notion of Australian Labor being such a reliable supporter of Israel, considering, let&#8217;s say, known facts !? That also should include the &#8220;treatement &#8220;Danby seems to receive from the Jewish News (sic).<br />
No tricks here, Bob Carr, as the main exponent of Labor foreign ideology, must not be avoided.</p>
<p>Zionist Otto</p>
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		By: Otto Waldmann		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Otto Waldmann]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2012 12:01:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.jwire.com.au/bds-motion-sparks-strong-reaction/#comment-20516&quot;&gt;Benseon Apple&lt;/a&gt;.

Benseon

I stopped counting the number of  conflicting standards you are dwelling on:

1. The Senate is a POLITICAL place, hence politics define everything that goes on in there.
2. By ALL accounts, ALL Greens are &quot;maverick pro-BDS, hence all must be addressed as such
3. Senator Carr can only agree that the BDS is a shameful etc. stuff if he does not block a motion condemning it.
4- One does politicise the issue by showing  dialectical favour to a particular political party outside the political forum - as well as inside, of course .]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.jwire.com.au/bds-motion-sparks-strong-reaction/#comment-20516">Benseon Apple</a>.</p>
<p>Benseon</p>
<p>I stopped counting the number of  conflicting standards you are dwelling on:</p>
<p>1. The Senate is a POLITICAL place, hence politics define everything that goes on in there.<br />
2. By ALL accounts, ALL Greens are &#8220;maverick pro-BDS, hence all must be addressed as such<br />
3. Senator Carr can only agree that the BDS is a shameful etc. stuff if he does not block a motion condemning it.<br />
4- One does politicise the issue by showing  dialectical favour to a particular political party outside the political forum &#8211; as well as inside, of course .</p>
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		By: Noah		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Noah]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sep 2012 22:12:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The leadership of our Community is so blue that it is sickening.They are politically an unelected group who represent a number of Community Groups and in the case of Rubinstein&#039;s group not even that. We all know the Jewish News is at times a Liberal newsletter and thier treatment of Danby is a digrace. Labour has always been a close supporter of Israel and it is high time we condemned party politics using Israel as a wedge.The Libs will do anything for a cheap shot.By the way I am an ardent Zionist.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The leadership of our Community is so blue that it is sickening.They are politically an unelected group who represent a number of Community Groups and in the case of Rubinstein&#8217;s group not even that. We all know the Jewish News is at times a Liberal newsletter and thier treatment of Danby is a digrace. Labour has always been a close supporter of Israel and it is high time we condemned party politics using Israel as a wedge.The Libs will do anything for a cheap shot.By the way I am an ardent Zionist.</p>
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		By: Paul Winter		</title>
		<link>https://www.jwire.com.au/bds-motion-sparks-strong-reaction/#comment-20648</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Paul Winter]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Sep 2012 03:19:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Like Otto, I have a visceral response to the actions of Labour, Carr and our Jewish commentators. But while Otto&#039;s reaction is to bring things up, mine is at the opposite end.

Carr&#039;s excuses for endorsing BDS by failing to condemn it are laughable. If Labour&#039;s opposition to BDS was genuine and not just window dressing for selected audiences, he would have supported the motion. It is nonsense to claim that an Australian Senate motion condemning BDS has foreign policy ramifications, unless, of course, Carr seeks to ingratiate Australia to the Non Aligned Nations crowd that hates Israel. We are indeed in a poor state - a craven cavern in a moral desert - if a local motion affects our standing with other nations. And it is duplicitous: we regularly make statements on the behaviour of other nations and here our action - not merely our words - on Fiji comes to mind. The second of Carr&#039;s objection is equally laughable: if the naming of individuals is goes against his high principles, he could have moved an amendment to remove names and just condemn the action.

The ECAJ response is too clever by half. The motion called on the NSW Greens to reject BDS; that the national Greens reject BDS is beside the point. Whether a Senate motion calling on a branch of a political party to do anything is appropriate is another issue. Certainly the fact that the Greens are fading is no reason not to condemn one of its fungus filled runners.

The AIJAC statement is equally pussilanimous. Bob Carr&#039;s statements against BDS are not worth a partial puff when he draws back on his pronouncements on BDS at a time when it counts. It is plainly silly to claim that there is bipartisan opposition to BDS when a motion condemning it was defeated on party lines. And it is also silly to expect anyone to believe that the Greens genuinely oppose  BDS when they vote against a motion condemning it. Ditto Labour.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like Otto, I have a visceral response to the actions of Labour, Carr and our Jewish commentators. But while Otto&#8217;s reaction is to bring things up, mine is at the opposite end.</p>
<p>Carr&#8217;s excuses for endorsing BDS by failing to condemn it are laughable. If Labour&#8217;s opposition to BDS was genuine and not just window dressing for selected audiences, he would have supported the motion. It is nonsense to claim that an Australian Senate motion condemning BDS has foreign policy ramifications, unless, of course, Carr seeks to ingratiate Australia to the Non Aligned Nations crowd that hates Israel. We are indeed in a poor state &#8211; a craven cavern in a moral desert &#8211; if a local motion affects our standing with other nations. And it is duplicitous: we regularly make statements on the behaviour of other nations and here our action &#8211; not merely our words &#8211; on Fiji comes to mind. The second of Carr&#8217;s objection is equally laughable: if the naming of individuals is goes against his high principles, he could have moved an amendment to remove names and just condemn the action.</p>
<p>The ECAJ response is too clever by half. The motion called on the NSW Greens to reject BDS; that the national Greens reject BDS is beside the point. Whether a Senate motion calling on a branch of a political party to do anything is appropriate is another issue. Certainly the fact that the Greens are fading is no reason not to condemn one of its fungus filled runners.</p>
<p>The AIJAC statement is equally pussilanimous. Bob Carr&#8217;s statements against BDS are not worth a partial puff when he draws back on his pronouncements on BDS at a time when it counts. It is plainly silly to claim that there is bipartisan opposition to BDS when a motion condemning it was defeated on party lines. And it is also silly to expect anyone to believe that the Greens genuinely oppose  BDS when they vote against a motion condemning it. Ditto Labour.</p>
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		By: Michael		</title>
		<link>https://www.jwire.com.au/bds-motion-sparks-strong-reaction/#comment-20608</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Sep 2012 07:23:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[What puzzles me greatly is  why are the Greens and other Politicians, Trade Unionists, Socialists, Academics , Media Editors  etc so, so obsessed with Israel and Jews.

 There are so many many other conflicts  , land disputes, regional disputes around the globe why is it only Israel is what occupies their minds night and day ?

 Can someone please explain ?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What puzzles me greatly is  why are the Greens and other Politicians, Trade Unionists, Socialists, Academics , Media Editors  etc so, so obsessed with Israel and Jews.</p>
<p> There are so many many other conflicts  , land disputes, regional disputes around the globe why is it only Israel is what occupies their minds night and day ?</p>
<p> Can someone please explain ?</p>
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		By: Rita		</title>
		<link>https://www.jwire.com.au/bds-motion-sparks-strong-reaction/#comment-20605</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rita]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Sep 2012 06:47:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[You dont like the Jewish people, really, do you Mr. Carr! Where would you have stood during the Kristall Nacht? (I think I know the answer).]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You dont like the Jewish people, really, do you Mr. Carr! Where would you have stood during the Kristall Nacht? (I think I know the answer).</p>
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		By: Otto Waldmann		</title>
		<link>https://www.jwire.com.au/bds-motion-sparks-strong-reaction/#comment-20587</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Otto Waldmann]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Sep 2012 21:35:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Dear Mr/Miss/Ms ECAJ

I find it almost impossible to express my depth of gratitude ( look ,I just found the right words !!!) to yourze guys for setting me mind straight !!!
I read the JWire report above and thoiught to meself : &quot; These Greens and Labor are opposing a motion that , in fact , supports  Israel and addresses in details and so clearly the FACT that the Greens, out there, where it counts, are active in supporting the BDS, names and events , and, then Sen. Carr - our closest friend - , opposes the Liberal motion on grounds as solid as fresh vomit, anyways, the whole Greenscum:Labor made me vomit, but ECAJ came to save me guts, intestines and anything alse that propels  outwards previously ingurgitated meals - and paid for !! - , telling us in such strong terms that , in actual ...fact, NO , ALL parties in the Senate are dead-set against the BDS !!!&quot;.

Yes, Peter was always me china and each time I have been seeing him for the nearly 30 years  I have known him, something always happened that I could not throw up, dont exactly knew what ....!!!
Now I know, I needed my composure to tell him :&quot; Peter, mate, your bul..it makes me throw up !!&quot;

More importantly, we NEED BADLY SOMEONE, AT THIS STAGE ANYONE, TO LEAD US OUT OF THIS  LEADERSHIP CRISIS. As I trust implicitely ECAJ to lead us, could ECAJ find someone to be truthfully guiding the Jewish community, someone who has the guts to keep us strong and, mainly dignified !!!
ECAJ should be condemned for NOT standing up in earnest against the lack of honesty with which Israel and the Jewish community at large are being treated by the Greens and Labor in the Senate and elsewhere !!!

I sincerely hope that JWire will have the guts to publish my comments.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Mr/Miss/Ms ECAJ</p>
<p>I find it almost impossible to express my depth of gratitude ( look ,I just found the right words !!!) to yourze guys for setting me mind straight !!!<br />
I read the JWire report above and thoiught to meself : &#8221; These Greens and Labor are opposing a motion that , in fact , supports  Israel and addresses in details and so clearly the FACT that the Greens, out there, where it counts, are active in supporting the BDS, names and events , and, then Sen. Carr &#8211; our closest friend &#8211; , opposes the Liberal motion on grounds as solid as fresh vomit, anyways, the whole Greenscum:Labor made me vomit, but ECAJ came to save me guts, intestines and anything alse that propels  outwards previously ingurgitated meals &#8211; and paid for !! &#8211; , telling us in such strong terms that , in actual &#8230;fact, NO , ALL parties in the Senate are dead-set against the BDS !!!&#8221;.</p>
<p>Yes, Peter was always me china and each time I have been seeing him for the nearly 30 years  I have known him, something always happened that I could not throw up, dont exactly knew what &#8230;.!!!<br />
Now I know, I needed my composure to tell him :&#8221; Peter, mate, your bul..it makes me throw up !!&#8221;</p>
<p>More importantly, we NEED BADLY SOMEONE, AT THIS STAGE ANYONE, TO LEAD US OUT OF THIS  LEADERSHIP CRISIS. As I trust implicitely ECAJ to lead us, could ECAJ find someone to be truthfully guiding the Jewish community, someone who has the guts to keep us strong and, mainly dignified !!!<br />
ECAJ should be condemned for NOT standing up in earnest against the lack of honesty with which Israel and the Jewish community at large are being treated by the Greens and Labor in the Senate and elsewhere !!!</p>
<p>I sincerely hope that JWire will have the guts to publish my comments.</p>
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		By: Benseon Apple		</title>
		<link>https://www.jwire.com.au/bds-motion-sparks-strong-reaction/#comment-20516</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Benseon Apple]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Sep 2012 07:38:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It was a highly politicised motion that was a blatant attack on the Greens and its maverick pro-BDS members. The Foreign Minister is spot on in opposing this politicised motion, even though BDS is - as Senator Carr agrees - a shameful and unhelpful activity against Israel and the Jewish people.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was a highly politicised motion that was a blatant attack on the Greens and its maverick pro-BDS members. The Foreign Minister is spot on in opposing this politicised motion, even though BDS is &#8211; as Senator Carr agrees &#8211; a shameful and unhelpful activity against Israel and the Jewish people.</p>
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		By: Rita		</title>
		<link>https://www.jwire.com.au/bds-motion-sparks-strong-reaction/#comment-20514</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rita]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Sep 2012 07:25:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[You dont like the Jews, really, do you Mr. Carr! Where would you have stood during the Kristall Nacht?  &#060;--- Rhetorical question!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You dont like the Jews, really, do you Mr. Carr! Where would you have stood during the Kristall Nacht?  &lt;&#8212; Rhetorical question!</p>
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