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		By: Jan Poddebsky		</title>
		<link>https://www.jwire.com.au/aujs-responds-to-jake-lynch/#comment-148216</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jan Poddebsky]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2015 07:44:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Last night I had the pleasure of attending a lecture on Schiller. It was held in the Law School&#039;s staff room furnished with armchairs and decorated with watercolours of past legal notable, many of whom were women. The lecture was erudite and the questions stimulating and collegiate. But seriously, this was not what I go to uni for. I missed the professor of peace wielding a cut ties with Israel banner, I missed the loud speaker screaming that I was a racist and supporter of genocide. I missed the hatred and the irrationality. The university really should decide what it&#039;s on about.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Last night I had the pleasure of attending a lecture on Schiller. It was held in the Law School&#8217;s staff room furnished with armchairs and decorated with watercolours of past legal notable, many of whom were women. The lecture was erudite and the questions stimulating and collegiate. But seriously, this was not what I go to uni for. I missed the professor of peace wielding a cut ties with Israel banner, I missed the loud speaker screaming that I was a racist and supporter of genocide. I missed the hatred and the irrationality. The university really should decide what it&#8217;s on about.</p>
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		By: Jan Poddebsky		</title>
		<link>https://www.jwire.com.au/aujs-responds-to-jake-lynch/#comment-148214</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jan Poddebsky]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2015 07:37:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Jake Lynch might claim he is not an anti-Semite because some of his best friends are Jews.  Some of these friends are Porzolt, Slezak and of course Loewenthal. I rest my case.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jake Lynch might claim he is not an anti-Semite because some of his best friends are Jews.  Some of these friends are Porzolt, Slezak and of course Loewenthal. I rest my case.</p>
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		By: Peter Wertheim		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Peter Wertheim]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2015 07:27:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.jwire.com.au/aujs-responds-to-jake-lynch/#comment-146954&quot;&gt;Ben Eliajah&lt;/a&gt;.

The alternative to BDS?  Accepting Olmert&#039;s offer of a Palestinian state consisting of 93% of the West Bank plus land swaps, and with a capital in Jerusalem: http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/news/haaretz-exclusive-olmert-s-plan-for-peace-with-the-palestinians-1.1970]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.jwire.com.au/aujs-responds-to-jake-lynch/#comment-146954">Ben Eliajah</a>.</p>
<p>The alternative to BDS?  Accepting Olmert&#8217;s offer of a Palestinian state consisting of 93% of the West Bank plus land swaps, and with a capital in Jerusalem: <a href="http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/news/haaretz-exclusive-olmert-s-plan-for-peace-with-the-palestinians-1.1970" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/news/haaretz-exclusive-olmert-s-plan-for-peace-with-the-palestinians-1.1970</a></p>
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		By: Dean Sherr		</title>
		<link>https://www.jwire.com.au/aujs-responds-to-jake-lynch/#comment-147291</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 25 May 2015 07:02:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.jwire.com.au/aujs-responds-to-jake-lynch/#comment-146939&quot;&gt;michael Burd&lt;/a&gt;.

Michael you don&#039;t seem to have much respect for the hard-work Jewish students have been putting in for years fighting BDS and other anti-Israel activity on campus. I can tell you AUJS has been very successful and the situation on campus has improved drastically in the time I have been involved in AUJS, largely due to that hard-work. Your assessment of the situation on campus is wrong as is your belief that AUJS is doing nothing. In fact, so is your claim that Students for Palestine are running effective advocacy.

You are judging the situation not on results or effective advocacy but on what you like seeing. I can assure you BDS is a far bigger problem on American campuses than Australian campuses, the reality is far from your belief that other organisations are in control and we are failures.

All the best Michael but please think before you criticise. It&#039;s a real shame for all these dedicated volunteers who have achieved so much to then be criticised by a small minority of community members who just clearly don&#039;t get it. That said, we are grateful for the strong support we receive from the majority of the community, without which our work would be impossible.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.jwire.com.au/aujs-responds-to-jake-lynch/#comment-146939">michael Burd</a>.</p>
<p>Michael you don&#8217;t seem to have much respect for the hard-work Jewish students have been putting in for years fighting BDS and other anti-Israel activity on campus. I can tell you AUJS has been very successful and the situation on campus has improved drastically in the time I have been involved in AUJS, largely due to that hard-work. Your assessment of the situation on campus is wrong as is your belief that AUJS is doing nothing. In fact, so is your claim that Students for Palestine are running effective advocacy.</p>
<p>You are judging the situation not on results or effective advocacy but on what you like seeing. I can assure you BDS is a far bigger problem on American campuses than Australian campuses, the reality is far from your belief that other organisations are in control and we are failures.</p>
<p>All the best Michael but please think before you criticise. It&#8217;s a real shame for all these dedicated volunteers who have achieved so much to then be criticised by a small minority of community members who just clearly don&#8217;t get it. That said, we are grateful for the strong support we receive from the majority of the community, without which our work would be impossible.</p>
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		By: Paul Winter		</title>
		<link>https://www.jwire.com.au/aujs-responds-to-jake-lynch/#comment-146964</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Paul Winter]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 May 2015 11:58:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The AUJS posture is as pathetic as that of the professional Jews who occupy leadership positions in our community. All talk, tactics, intellectualising, but no action. Granted the atmosphere on campuses is antisemiticly toxic, but what is to stop a Jewish group from holding placards in from of the Vice-Chancellor&#039;s office? Or in front of Lynch&#039;s lecture room? Or along Parramatta Rd right next to Uni of Syd, warning of Jew-hating and intimidation of Jews on campus? 

If there are too few Jewish students to stage protests in safety, why not call on the Jewish security group, of assistance through the Jewish press for more bodies or Jewish alumni?

All,all too much like action and action must be debated and professional advice regarding possible repercussions must be considered, the rest of the community must be consulted and the reaction of traditional or prospective friends considered and political parties consulted and... Did I start this paragraph advocating action???]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The AUJS posture is as pathetic as that of the professional Jews who occupy leadership positions in our community. All talk, tactics, intellectualising, but no action. Granted the atmosphere on campuses is antisemiticly toxic, but what is to stop a Jewish group from holding placards in from of the Vice-Chancellor&#8217;s office? Or in front of Lynch&#8217;s lecture room? Or along Parramatta Rd right next to Uni of Syd, warning of Jew-hating and intimidation of Jews on campus? </p>
<p>If there are too few Jewish students to stage protests in safety, why not call on the Jewish security group, of assistance through the Jewish press for more bodies or Jewish alumni?</p>
<p>All,all too much like action and action must be debated and professional advice regarding possible repercussions must be considered, the rest of the community must be consulted and the reaction of traditional or prospective friends considered and political parties consulted and&#8230; Did I start this paragraph advocating action???</p>
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		By: Ben Eliajah		</title>
		<link>https://www.jwire.com.au/aujs-responds-to-jake-lynch/#comment-146954</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ben Eliajah]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 May 2015 11:18:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.jwire.com.au/aujs-responds-to-jake-lynch/#comment-146645&quot;&gt;Michael Burd&lt;/a&gt;.

AUJS claims presence on most campuses in Australia. How do BDS activists not face opposition ? And Sherr&#039;s response does address any of the points raised by Jake Lynch. Nor does Lynch go back on his support for BDS. By the way, what alternative is there to BDS, merely sit back and watch settlements expand ?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.jwire.com.au/aujs-responds-to-jake-lynch/#comment-146645">Michael Burd</a>.</p>
<p>AUJS claims presence on most campuses in Australia. How do BDS activists not face opposition ? And Sherr&#8217;s response does address any of the points raised by Jake Lynch. Nor does Lynch go back on his support for BDS. By the way, what alternative is there to BDS, merely sit back and watch settlements expand ?</p>
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		By: michael Burd		</title>
		<link>https://www.jwire.com.au/aujs-responds-to-jake-lynch/#comment-146939</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 23 May 2015 09:17:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[JUlian I agree with your assessment and all the reasons  why AUJS have been so unsuccessful dealing with the anti -Israel campaign on Campus.
Obviously what ever strategy  they have been using has been a miserable failure and that is why they are totally ineffective on Campus representing Israels interests. It starts from the Leadership  they need stronger more committed leadership , sure it much easier to do nothing and use all the excuses some of which you mention above. Perhaps look at Students for Palestine  for some ideas how advocacy  really works .]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JUlian I agree with your assessment and all the reasons  why AUJS have been so unsuccessful dealing with the anti -Israel campaign on Campus.<br />
Obviously what ever strategy  they have been using has been a miserable failure and that is why they are totally ineffective on Campus representing Israels interests. It starts from the Leadership  they need stronger more committed leadership , sure it much easier to do nothing and use all the excuses some of which you mention above. Perhaps look at Students for Palestine  for some ideas how advocacy  really works .</p>
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		By: Michael Burd		</title>
		<link>https://www.jwire.com.au/aujs-responds-to-jake-lynch/#comment-146925</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael Burd]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 May 2015 06:43:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Phillip with due respect the only Jews that support full or part BDS
against their fellow Jews in Israel are those on the left and progressives they are part of the problem .]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phillip with due respect the only Jews that support full or part BDS<br />
against their fellow Jews in Israel are those on the left and progressives they are part of the problem .</p>
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		By: Julian		</title>
		<link>https://www.jwire.com.au/aujs-responds-to-jake-lynch/#comment-146659</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Julian]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2015 07:46:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.jwire.com.au/aujs-responds-to-jake-lynch/#comment-146645&quot;&gt;Michael Burd&lt;/a&gt;.

Hi Michael. What is difficult for people from outside the university environment to realize is that arguing directly with pro-palestinian protestors does nothing to support a pro-Israel atmosphere on campus.
Their minds are not going to be changed by trying to argue with them as their views are completely set in stone. The &#039;curious bystander&#039; hearing a debate between an AUJS leader and bds supporter rarely occurs as the debate will almost always turns into personal attacks and abuse.

Where AUJS devotes our attention is in working with the 80 % of undecided students, specifically with student leaders. The socialist alternative were deregistered at Monash due to their own incompetence being flagged by AUJS to the student Union. 

The context in universities in Australia is very different than the United states, with the student polity being far more progressive and the average student caring very little about Israel. The nature of our political adversary is very different Aswell. Applying the same approach taken on campuses in the usa and transferring it to the australian context runs a strong risk of backfiring, isolating AUJS from the rest of the political landscape and acting as a recruiting incentive for our opposition.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.jwire.com.au/aujs-responds-to-jake-lynch/#comment-146645">Michael Burd</a>.</p>
<p>Hi Michael. What is difficult for people from outside the university environment to realize is that arguing directly with pro-palestinian protestors does nothing to support a pro-Israel atmosphere on campus.<br />
Their minds are not going to be changed by trying to argue with them as their views are completely set in stone. The &#8216;curious bystander&#8217; hearing a debate between an AUJS leader and bds supporter rarely occurs as the debate will almost always turns into personal attacks and abuse.</p>
<p>Where AUJS devotes our attention is in working with the 80 % of undecided students, specifically with student leaders. The socialist alternative were deregistered at Monash due to their own incompetence being flagged by AUJS to the student Union. </p>
<p>The context in universities in Australia is very different than the United states, with the student polity being far more progressive and the average student caring very little about Israel. The nature of our political adversary is very different Aswell. Applying the same approach taken on campuses in the usa and transferring it to the australian context runs a strong risk of backfiring, isolating AUJS from the rest of the political landscape and acting as a recruiting incentive for our opposition.</p>
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		By: Philip Mendes		</title>
		<link>https://www.jwire.com.au/aujs-responds-to-jake-lynch/#comment-146656</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Philip Mendes]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2015 07:31:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Excellent article by Dean Sherr exposing the xenophobia and bigotry of the BDS movement. And so pleasing to see from the AUJS survey that Jewish students these days are adopting progressive views. When I was at uni in the 1980s the great majority of AUJS activists seemed to be card-carrying Liberal Party types that backed Likud to the hilt. As for Michael Burd&#039;s attack on AUJS and also the ACJC, strange indeed. Only progressive and left-wing Jewish students and academics can effectively combat the BDS movement which gains its support from those who identify with the Left. Conservative Jewish groups have no hope of influencing this cohort.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent article by Dean Sherr exposing the xenophobia and bigotry of the BDS movement. And so pleasing to see from the AUJS survey that Jewish students these days are adopting progressive views. When I was at uni in the 1980s the great majority of AUJS activists seemed to be card-carrying Liberal Party types that backed Likud to the hilt. As for Michael Burd&#8217;s attack on AUJS and also the ACJC, strange indeed. Only progressive and left-wing Jewish students and academics can effectively combat the BDS movement which gains its support from those who identify with the Left. Conservative Jewish groups have no hope of influencing this cohort.</p>
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