A hollow recital of farcical mantras pontificating a morality abandoned by a people defined by hatred of Jews well before Israel was created as a modern state. Palestinians have infested their DNA with the venom of criminal disposition, an inner determination to exterminate,erase any sign of Jewish presence in what THEY would dearly OCCUPY, being the entire space Providence has reserved for the People of the Covenant, small space as it is.

David, you can take your naive, if not ill-intended, sermon and preach it to your beloved brothers in arms and home made missiles from Gaza ( un-occupied ) to Ramalla ( free to decide what educational curriculum they design for their next generation of suicide bombers – everyone welcome from age 5) .
Your twisted “logic” avoids by “accident” ( of intellectual deficiency I would suppose ) the stark reality that, unless Jewish security presence is not overlooking the well entrenched character of hatred among the palestinians, torrents of tragedies would await the Israelis who have long abandoned any hope that normality in civility can be attained by those who can only be accepted next door if astutely watched.
You are not dreaming or anything, but shifting the burden of reality from the tangible to the irrational/offensive/irrelevant/redundant. Now you have a few terms to deal with, but cease lecturing the victims about the noble nature of the criminals !!!

Red

Red herrings of objection to the farcical notion of attacks ad hominem, mixed with the pathetic claims of “intimidation”, make for staged hysteria in place of rational argumentation.

1- attacks ad hominem in the present exchanges are implicit in completing the cycle of necessary address to the complexity of the issues. It is to say that , as a hominum makes a statement, he is responsible for the utterings. The statements reflect the intellectual morphology of the “speaker”. and, as Red is responsible for what Red states, if homini with different opinions to Red consider his statements to be, say, absurd, that makes everything involved in the existence of the statement …absurd, specifically, however, the holder of the statement, id est …RED !!!

2- the assumptions of one’s feelings can be made when relationship between the substance of the statements uttered and the exclusively implicit person making them are matched.

There is absolutely nothing uncivilised about the choice of ideas and terms used by anyone present objecting to the incredibly uncivilised document above and its signatories.

Red, do you really, really expect the offended Jews present here NOT to react to the abominable statements you are responsible for !!!!????

I suggest next time you feel like taking on the Jewish community , simply DON’T !!!

Poor soul….
First you add your name to a most offensive attempt at whitewashing a cluster of murderers who happen to have been stopped from carrying out crimes against the Jewish people and, now that you have encontered the just anger of those who DO care about the perilous fate of those at the mercy of dedicated criminals, have the audacity, arrogance to call it “abuse” !!!

GOOD RIDDANCE !!!

“It is not true that the Arabs detest the Jews for personal, religious or racial reasons.” – Moshe Dayan.

“A state governing a hostile population of 1.5 million to 2 million foreigners [the number of Palestinians in the occupied territories in 1967] is bound to become a Shin Bet [Security Service] state, with all that this implies for the spirit of education, freedom of speech and thought and democracy. Israel will be infected with corruption, characteristic of any colonial regime. The administration will have to deal with the suppression of an Arab protest movement on the one hand, and with the acquisition of Arab quisling s on the other…. The army, which has been so far a people’s army, will degenerate as well as by becoming an occupation army, and its officers, turned into military governors, will not differ from military governors elsewhere in the world” Yeshayahu Leibowitz, Orthodox Jew ish thinker.

Dear Moderator(s)
Disreagard my last letter – it would nor serve to continue the exchange – but I would like to express my disappointment that some of your posters have chosen to be so abusive.
Regards,
Red bingham

Is abouse all you have Otto and Paul. Is this how you debate with ad hominem attacks? What is your motivation? To stifle all dissent within the Jewish community. Please show some respect – and on that topic how DARE you make ANY assumptions on our feelings towards the victims of terrorism.

Spiteful denunciations will not intimidate me. Don’t let fear rule your heart – rise above these base feelings and break down your self-imposed ghetto walls. We are not your enemy and never have been. You fear is your enemy.

And please moderators, do your job and moderate. The basic rules of civilisaed discussion should be respected. People should be respected.

Just typical of partisan ignorance and abuse of known terms. From habeas corpus/Magna Carta to Nazi concentration vamps, the range of totally irrelevant analogies defines the so called “argument” of a compromised mob of supporters of the most vile ideological and practical compendium of Jew haters ,id est the Palestinian contingent and their cohorts, of which the above list is a proud segment.

Looking today at the cover of the Australian Jewish News I was struck, once again, by the list of our olympic victims of the same Palestinian terrorism the present list is so abominably protecting.

Whether pretend Jews or whatever, the list of signatories in the current declaration when juxtaposed to the one of our murdered Olympic Israeli heroes makes one severely angered and sick !!!

“Red”, “David” the whole mob, you have no respect for the victims of Palestinian atrocities, no humanity, no right to address us, let alone pontificate and patronise while promoting shamelessly your alignment to the most criminal entity of modern times, the Palestinians !!!!!

If you bothered to read my post regarding the artificiality of the “Palestinian people”, you would have seen my reference to Rumanian intelligence general Ion Pacepa who documented that the Pals were invented by the KGB in 1964. The technique of ignoring evidence and simply dismissing facts is typical of the hard left using the big lie techniques of totalitarian regimes. They only work when truth can be suppressed. So again, there are no Palestinians, the Arabs of that region regarded themselves as southern Syrians

Self identification is fine, but witht the case of the Pals, it is used malevolently to deny the Jewish people a right to self-identification and hence self-determination. And while self-identification is fine, I would deny that the Germans were the Aryan master-race. So get real.

Sophistry is fine David, but you lack sophistication. Pointing out that the Pals are not a genuine people in no way uindermines my assertion that Jews are in fact a people. I don’t know if you are Jewish, but I belong to a people who have a language, a history, a culture, a religion and certain genetic markers and archeological evidence of their roots in the region where they have reestablished their state. The Pals have nothing unique about them. Nothing!

The assertion that the NIF is supporting democracy in Israel is laughable. It also underscores your contention that Israel is not democratic and hencs does not deserve our support.The NIF has no local support in Isarael and is held in contempt by Zionists there and in the Diaspora. The NIF is active in supporting anti-Israel Arabs. That the NIF opposes administrative detention which saves Jewish life, is as much as needs to be said about the Zionistic credentials of the NIF.

Perhaps the best reality test that you can apply to the terrible, terrible administrative detention policy of Israel is the the overfed hunger strikers who recently got some concessions in return for promising to behave in more civilised ways, were actually demanding more TV and access to education. And as Otto pointed out, the sweet innocents have blood on their hands or are dying to get blood on them. It is very convenient to prattle about human rights and due process when it isn’t your life or the life of your loved ones threatened by antisemitic islamofascist fanatics. The purity of intent and high-minded goals ring hollow when one bears in mind that similar actions in other countries far less at threat are not so much as breathed by critics of Israel.

I have been there !!!
What struck me was the intense complexion of hatred displayed by those you seem so emotionally attached to.
Constant, relentless manfestations of enmity against everything Jewish by the palestinians and a vast assortment of their allies in the process, provide torrents of reasons for Israel to stay well on course in making sure that people like them do not succeeed, as much as I feel responsible to make sure that people like you will not prevail in this brutal distortion of the known reality.

Are you also telling me that palestinians live in what……conditions !!!???
Because if you are trying to imply misery, poverty, lack of educatuon etc., then I would like to see that you are “game” enough to add your financial contribution to the recent NINETY MILLION AUD gone down your palestinian sewer.