On saturday night we attended a wonderful wedding in Jericho. The guests came from all over Israel and what may yet become Palestine. They came as we did from Tel Aviv, the Galil, from Nablus and from Jerusalem, East and West.

They came unimpeded by checkpoints.. The only soldier we encountered was on our way back thru the outskirts of Jerusalem. A very bored young girl who waived us thru in our clearly marked hire car without even turning her head to give us a cursory glance. Too busy talking on her cell phone.

The night before, at our Shabbat table ,our grandson a tank commander, told us that he was no longer on the Syrian border, from where shells had been fired only a day before, but was now serving in the shtechim, where he has to endure the settlers hostility to the IDF. They throw rocks at his unit and when not attacking the IDF, they hurl rocks at passing Palestinian cars. They carry out “price tag” attacks on the nearby Palestinian villages in full view of the IDF. When we asked what does his unit do, he replied,”we take photos of them and they take photos of us.”

Does this seem to you, a state in existential crisis?

On saturday night we attended a wonderful wedding in Jericho. The guests came from all over Israel and what may yet become Palestine. They came as we did from Tel Aviv, the Galil, from Nablus and from Jerusalem, East and West.

They came unimpeded by checkpoints.. The only soldier we encountered was on our way back thru the outskirts of Jerusalem. A very boted young girl who waived us thru in our clearly marked hire car without even turning her head to give us a cursory glance. Top busy talking on her cell phone.

The night before, at our Shabbat table ,our grandson a tank commander, told us that he was no longer on the Syrian border, from where shells had been fired only a day before, but was now serving in the shtechim, where he has to endure the settlers hostility to the IDF. They throw rocks at his unit and when not attacking the IDF, they hurl rocks at passing Palestinian cars. They carry out “price tag” attacks on the nearby Palestinian villages in full view of the IDF. When we asked what does his unit do, he replied,”we take photos of them and they take photos of us.”

Does this seem to you, a state in existential crisis?

Ann,

You are obviously a very liberal Jew and a staunch supporter of AJDS so I won’t even bother to try to continue any serious dialogue with you re. why the affiliate status of the AJDS with the JCCV should be terminated.

However, to your other points I will remind you that for all the support well meaning liberal Jews gave to ending the apartheid regime in South Africa together with being at the forefront of the American civil rights movement, there is more anti Semitism in South Africa now and as far as the USA is concerned, just in case you aren’t aware, anti Semitism is rampant within mainstream black organisations. So I wouldn’t hold this up as a great accomplishment. The lesson from this should be that if individual Jews want to be involved in political issues in general so be it, but as a community, Jews should concentrate on issues that benefit both the Jewish community and Israel and not like the AJDS whose policies openly side with the enemies of Israel.

Lastly, who are you to speak for the majority opinion within Israel? I know Israelis living in Israel who MOST CERTAINLY feel thay are under constant existential threat on top of all the other issues concerning them, day to day.

Dear Gil,

I do not know of any time when we “were proudly united”. Would you be so kind and give me your references. In the diaspora throughout the millenia there were constant disputes. Many historians would argue that it was this was the fire that tempered the very strong democratic nature of Jewish communities in the modern world. This is why, they argue, Jews feature so prominently in the struggles against dictatorship in South Africa, in the American civil rights movement etc.

Since it’s foundation, Israeli democracy has been vibrant and disputive. The results of the last elections show how much can change so quickly. Even among the religious sects there are frequent and sometimes violent arguments. Gil, you write as a diaspora Jew. Israelis do not feel they are under existential threat. They are more concerned with the cost of living, their eroding pensions, education etc.

In case you missed it, Israel now has to deal with the problem of the high value of the shekel which has been influenced by the large amount of investment pouring in from the outside world (due to its financial and banking stability) and to the massive natural gas discoveries which are about to come on line. Stanley Fisher advocates the establishment of a future fund to cover the costs of education, medical care etc. – sounds familiar?

Gil, you should be proud of a strong and democratic Israel. Jewish communities in the Diaspora should follow its leadership and allow the same measures of democratic discussion. Israelis guard this freedom very jealously and attempts to limit it have met with opposition from all sides of the debate. Likud members, Ruby Rivlin and Benny Begin, being the best examples. AJDS follows in this tradition.

Sincerely, Ann Fink

Who are these people in the AJDS who try to pass themselves off as Jews who care for the survival of Israel?

On the other hand, what suicidal virus have infected those who align themselves with or try to rationalise why it is appropriate that groups like the AJDS have any right to be affiliated with mainstream Jewish organisations? Does anyone in their wildest dreams think that an anti Muslim or anti Palestinian group could ever be affiliated with a mainstream Islamic organisation?

How the enemies of the Jewish people in general and Israel in particular must be laughing at the stupidity of Jews. The fact that within Israel itself there are those of the same political persuasion (especially the academic elite) as AJDS, does not make their policy sane.

To Ann’s comment that BDS has had no effect on the Israeli economy, this does not mean that it won’t in the near future and does not justify the AJDS stance in any way. I believe, but am not sure, that it was an Israeli citizen who gave birth to the idea of BDS. No other country on the face of the earth, facing existential threats on a daily basis would tolerate its citizens giving aid and comfort to the enemy by advocating acts of treason, which is what the BDS is. Seems however when Jews are concerned, anything goes and anything is tolerated.
And what a sad indictment on all of us when she states that: “Jews all over the world and especially
in the USA are reconsidering their relationship with Israel AND HAVE EVERY RIGHT TO DO SO.” Vast numbers of American Jews may very well be the fools of the Diaspora but to come to this conclusion about the majority of Jews worldwide, one has to wonder how far is it that we have sunk.

In spite of what Phillip Mendes may want, the JCCV should unceremoniously and publicly throw the AJDS out and end this controversy.

Finally and sadly I will end with the thought that the Second Temple fell for various reasons but at a time when there was disunity among Jews. God help us and Israel if mainstream opinion does not prevail.

Prior to the establishment of the State of Israel, many of the “Anglo Jewish” community also argued fiercely against it’s establishment. My husband remembers Rabbi Danglow forbidding children at St. Kilda synagogue from waving Israeli flags on Simchat Torah!

Much has changed over the years. The Bundists have reconciled themselves to Zionism, as have the congregants of St. Kilda Synagogue. However where is there any law or regulation which mandates that to be amember of the Jewsih community of Victoria , one must be a Zionist in the narrow sense defined by the JCCV.There are those of us who hold Israeli citizenship, pay Israeli taxes, have children and grandchildren in the IDF, AND still find our views quite compatible with those of the AJDS.

There are some members of the AJDS who support BDS. There are others who don’t. Some support some sanctions, such as refusing to recognize the so called “University” of Ariel. Many thousands of Israeli academics, including the heads of all the Universities in Israel (except Bar Ilan) and the president of The Weizmann Institute have adopted this position. Many Israelis refuse to knowingly buy goods produced in the occupied territories
because it undermines Israel’s own economy by paying lower wages to palestinian workers when the same goods were once manufactures in Israel.

BDS has had no effect on the Israeli economy. Turkey has doubled the value of its imports over the last year. In a globally interconnected economic world, it is a futile protest. Not one BDS supporter will willingly give away his laptop, iPad or cellular phone, despite their high content of israeli produced hardware and software. BDS has only symbolic value.

In a free and democratic country people have the right to express their views peacefully. Jews all over the world and especially in the USA, are reconsidering their relationship with Israel. They have every right to do so AND remain Jewish. For the JCCV to even contemplate excommunicating The AJDS because the organization doesn’t adhere to the rigid guidelines of what the JCCV accepts as” true Zionism” can only be described as anti -democratic.

The AJDS issue is not political, but antisemitic. When a group calls for BDS against the Jewish state like the Nazis did, not for anything real, but for visceral Jew hatred, that is not politics. The AJDS call for BDS is based on lies as there is no apartheid in Israel, there is no occupation, there is no colonisation and there is no such thing as a Palestinian people.

When halachicly Jewish people side with antisemites – and religion is the real basis for the mohammedan hostility to the Jewish state – they must not be permitted to remain within a community that they betray. The pretense that such a mob is taking a moral stance is risible; all they are doing is currying favour with their political allies, allies that are not only betraying a democracy, but who are betraying their socialist principles, much as they did in Spain decades ago.