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		By: Gil Solomon		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gil Solomon]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[John,

You say &quot;we have taken their country&quot;. 
What country?
Who were the leaders of this country?
What currency did they use?

Here are a few historical facts that you should absorb.

In biblical times all of what is now Israel and the West Bank (Judea and Samaria) was Jewish.

When the Romans conquered the territory they named the entire area &quot;Philistina&quot; in order to rub salt into the wounds of the defeated Jews by calling the place in honour of their ancient and mortal enemies, the Philistines.

By doing so, the Romans acknowledged that the owners of the territory were Jews. Down the centuries the name Philistina was anglicised to Palestine.

At the beginning of the 20th century, if one were referred to as a Palestinian it was automatically implied that he or she was Jewish. Decaded later, Arabs cleverly commandeered the term &quot;Palestinian&quot; and people like yourself have fallen for the propaganda and bought their message. The facts are that Palestine was a land mass administered finally by the British until the 1947 Partition Plan. The rest is modern history.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John,</p>
<p>You say &#8220;we have taken their country&#8221;.<br />
What country?<br />
Who were the leaders of this country?<br />
What currency did they use?</p>
<p>Here are a few historical facts that you should absorb.</p>
<p>In biblical times all of what is now Israel and the West Bank (Judea and Samaria) was Jewish.</p>
<p>When the Romans conquered the territory they named the entire area &#8220;Philistina&#8221; in order to rub salt into the wounds of the defeated Jews by calling the place in honour of their ancient and mortal enemies, the Philistines.</p>
<p>By doing so, the Romans acknowledged that the owners of the territory were Jews. Down the centuries the name Philistina was anglicised to Palestine.</p>
<p>At the beginning of the 20th century, if one were referred to as a Palestinian it was automatically implied that he or she was Jewish. Decaded later, Arabs cleverly commandeered the term &#8220;Palestinian&#8221; and people like yourself have fallen for the propaganda and bought their message. The facts are that Palestine was a land mass administered finally by the British until the 1947 Partition Plan. The rest is modern history.</p>
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		By: Otto Waldmann		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Otto Waldmann]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Aug 2013 12:07:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.jwire.com.au/aijac-responds-to-carrs-settlements-remarks/#comment-46330&quot;&gt;John&lt;/a&gt;.

Inebriated by incongruities , delusional, wondering in a terminal state of venom OD, this &quot;John&quot;  ( just another John ) cannot come with terms with:

- deranged hatred against everything Jewish/Israeli commonly found at all palestinians of sorts and their fellow travelers have been, for starters, sufficient reasons for Israel to keep a vigilant eye on them right there where it comes, their own Jewish land whatever new and farcical names some would give it.
- solid data prior to the 1967 few hours war where the poor losers were rattling sabres of destructions, alas only to cop it real good
- losers MUST be pleased with their right deserts, frothing at mouths of hatred notwithstanding
- current status of a heavily corrupt lot is expected happiness with what Israel shall dish out to them. 

Not happy with outcome, another 50 years of waiting wont be a problem. In the meantime more real estate shall ornate  the same Jewish land.

John expected not to recover from acute condition as displayed right here.

OK, I feel sorry for him.........................]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.jwire.com.au/aijac-responds-to-carrs-settlements-remarks/#comment-46330">John</a>.</p>
<p>Inebriated by incongruities , delusional, wondering in a terminal state of venom OD, this &#8220;John&#8221;  ( just another John ) cannot come with terms with:</p>
<p>&#8211; deranged hatred against everything Jewish/Israeli commonly found at all palestinians of sorts and their fellow travelers have been, for starters, sufficient reasons for Israel to keep a vigilant eye on them right there where it comes, their own Jewish land whatever new and farcical names some would give it.<br />
&#8211; solid data prior to the 1967 few hours war where the poor losers were rattling sabres of destructions, alas only to cop it real good<br />
&#8211; losers MUST be pleased with their right deserts, frothing at mouths of hatred notwithstanding<br />
&#8211; current status of a heavily corrupt lot is expected happiness with what Israel shall dish out to them. </p>
<p>Not happy with outcome, another 50 years of waiting wont be a problem. In the meantime more real estate shall ornate  the same Jewish land.</p>
<p>John expected not to recover from acute condition as displayed right here.</p>
<p>OK, I feel sorry for him&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.</p>
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		By: John		</title>
		<link>https://www.jwire.com.au/aijac-responds-to-carrs-settlements-remarks/#comment-46331</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Aug 2013 07:39:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Let me guess... Nahum Goldmann, David Ben Gurion, and Begin were self-loathing &#039;lefties&#039;?  How EXACTLY, do the five books of Moses constitute a real estate deal spanning millennia?

&quot;If I was an Arab leader I would never make terms with Israel. That is natural: ***we have taken their country***. Sure God promised it to us, but what does that matter to them? Our God is not theirs. We come from Israel, it&#039;s true, but two thousand years ago, and what is that to them?&quot;

“There has been Anti-Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that [the Palestinians&#039;] fault? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that? They may perhaps forget in one or two generations&#039; time, but for the moment there is no chance. So, it&#039;s simple: we have to stay strong and maintain a powerful army. Our whole policy is there.”

- both citations quote David Ben Gurion, quoted in Nahum Goldmann’s ‘The Jewish Paradox’, published 1976.  Goldmann founded the World Jewish Congress and served as its president for 26 years.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let me guess&#8230; Nahum Goldmann, David Ben Gurion, and Begin were self-loathing &#8216;lefties&#8217;?  How EXACTLY, do the five books of Moses constitute a real estate deal spanning millennia?</p>
<p>&#8220;If I was an Arab leader I would never make terms with Israel. That is natural: ***we have taken their country***. Sure God promised it to us, but what does that matter to them? Our God is not theirs. We come from Israel, it&#8217;s true, but two thousand years ago, and what is that to them?&#8221;</p>
<p>“There has been Anti-Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that [the Palestinians&#8217;] fault? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that? They may perhaps forget in one or two generations&#8217; time, but for the moment there is no chance. So, it&#8217;s simple: we have to stay strong and maintain a powerful army. Our whole policy is there.”</p>
<p>&#8211; both citations quote David Ben Gurion, quoted in Nahum Goldmann’s ‘The Jewish Paradox’, published 1976.  Goldmann founded the World Jewish Congress and served as its president for 26 years.</p>
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		By: John		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Aug 2013 07:30:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Please.  You’re only fooling yourselves, and doing a fine job of it.  On the ’67 War being ‘defensive’…

“In June 1967 we again had a choice. The Egyptian army concentrations in the Sinai approaches do not prove that Nasser was really about to attack us. We must be honest with ourselves. We decided to attack him.”
-- Menachim Begin’s address to the National Defense College, 8 August 1982 (Can be verified by searching at the government of Israel’s own Ministry of Foreign Affairs! www.mfa.gov.il)

“The entire story of the danger of extermination was invented in every detail and exaggerated a posteriori to justify the annexation of new Arab territory.”
-- Mordecai Bentov, a wartime member of the Israeli government, the Israeli newspaper Al-Hamishmar, 14 April 1971

 “I do not believe that Nasser wanted war. The two divisions which he sent into Sinai on 14 May would not have been enough to unleash an offensive against Israel. He knew it and we knew it.”
-- Israeli Chief of Staff Rabin, Le Monde, 28 February 1968

 “We were not threatened with genocide on the eve of the Six-Days war, and we had never thought of such a possibility.”
-- General Haim Bar-Lev, Rabin’s predecessor as Israeli chief of staff, quoted in Ma’ariv, 4 April 1972

“There was never any danger of annihilation. This hypothesis has never been considered in any serious meeting.”
-- General Ezer Weizman, war-time Israeli Chief of Operations. Also quoted in Ma’ariv, 4 April 1972

From “Zionism: The Real Enemy of the Jews – Volume 3”, by Alan Hart, a British journalist with 40 years of experience covering the Middle East.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please.  You’re only fooling yourselves, and doing a fine job of it.  On the ’67 War being ‘defensive’…</p>
<p>“In June 1967 we again had a choice. The Egyptian army concentrations in the Sinai approaches do not prove that Nasser was really about to attack us. We must be honest with ourselves. We decided to attack him.”<br />
&#8212; Menachim Begin’s address to the National Defense College, 8 August 1982 (Can be verified by searching at the government of Israel’s own Ministry of Foreign Affairs! <a href="http://www.mfa.gov.il" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.mfa.gov.il</a>)</p>
<p>“The entire story of the danger of extermination was invented in every detail and exaggerated a posteriori to justify the annexation of new Arab territory.”<br />
&#8212; Mordecai Bentov, a wartime member of the Israeli government, the Israeli newspaper Al-Hamishmar, 14 April 1971</p>
<p> “I do not believe that Nasser wanted war. The two divisions which he sent into Sinai on 14 May would not have been enough to unleash an offensive against Israel. He knew it and we knew it.”<br />
&#8212; Israeli Chief of Staff Rabin, Le Monde, 28 February 1968</p>
<p> “We were not threatened with genocide on the eve of the Six-Days war, and we had never thought of such a possibility.”<br />
&#8212; General Haim Bar-Lev, Rabin’s predecessor as Israeli chief of staff, quoted in Ma’ariv, 4 April 1972</p>
<p>“There was never any danger of annihilation. This hypothesis has never been considered in any serious meeting.”<br />
&#8212; General Ezer Weizman, war-time Israeli Chief of Operations. Also quoted in Ma’ariv, 4 April 1972</p>
<p>From “Zionism: The Real Enemy of the Jews – Volume 3”, by Alan Hart, a British journalist with 40 years of experience covering the Middle East.</p>
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		By: dannykid		</title>
		<link>https://www.jwire.com.au/aijac-responds-to-carrs-settlements-remarks/#comment-46316</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dannykid]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Aug 2013 02:27:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.jwire.com.au/aijac-responds-to-carrs-settlements-remarks/#comment-46293&quot;&gt;Paul Winter&lt;/a&gt;.

When Yehuda and Shomron are refered to as occupied territory, the language should be changed and reinforced: yes, it is occupied land. It is occulied Jewish land. It is occupied by arabs.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.jwire.com.au/aijac-responds-to-carrs-settlements-remarks/#comment-46293">Paul Winter</a>.</p>
<p>When Yehuda and Shomron are refered to as occupied territory, the language should be changed and reinforced: yes, it is occupied land. It is occulied Jewish land. It is occupied by arabs.</p>
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		By: Gil Solomon		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gil Solomon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Aug 2013 22:53:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.jwire.com.au/aijac-responds-to-carrs-settlements-remarks/#comment-46292&quot;&gt;steve&lt;/a&gt;.

Steve, when it comes to Hasbara, Israel is simply pathetic.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.jwire.com.au/aijac-responds-to-carrs-settlements-remarks/#comment-46292">steve</a>.</p>
<p>Steve, when it comes to Hasbara, Israel is simply pathetic.</p>
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		By: dannykid		</title>
		<link>https://www.jwire.com.au/aijac-responds-to-carrs-settlements-remarks/#comment-46296</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dannykid]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Aug 2013 15:42:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.jwire.com.au/aijac-responds-to-carrs-settlements-remarks/#comment-46254&quot;&gt;Gil Solomon&lt;/a&gt;.

Gill, you write: &quot;You could then have gone on that these territories were seized in defensive wars and that is the basis of this law.&quot;

how about, instead of &quot;seized&quot; we change the language to &quot;liberated&quot;?

That IS what happened, right?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.jwire.com.au/aijac-responds-to-carrs-settlements-remarks/#comment-46254">Gil Solomon</a>.</p>
<p>Gill, you write: &#8220;You could then have gone on that these territories were seized in defensive wars and that is the basis of this law.&#8221;</p>
<p>how about, instead of &#8220;seized&#8221; we change the language to &#8220;liberated&#8221;?</p>
<p>That IS what happened, right?</p>
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		By: Paul Winter		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Paul Winter]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Aug 2013 14:44:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.jwire.com.au/aijac-responds-to-carrs-settlements-remarks/#comment-46254&quot;&gt;Gil Solomon&lt;/a&gt;.

Well put Gil. AIJAC and other community leaders must stop being ever so diplomatic and they must start to speak plainly. Israel has more right to Judea and Samaria than the heirs of aggressor nations who migrated to the Palestine mandate with British encouragement. Plain speaking leaders would have told Carr that he is a an ex journalist and a legal ignoramus. so he ought to keep his mouth shut. He should have been told that the only contentious matter was if there is such a thing as a &quot;Palestinian&quot; Arab; there is no dispute that under the Balfour Declaration and the 1922 League of Nations (Treaty of Sevres), the land is assigned to the Jewish people. It is sickening that our leadership fails to denounce Carr for crawling to the mohammedans to get their vote. He is untrustworthy and despicable and should be plainly told that.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.jwire.com.au/aijac-responds-to-carrs-settlements-remarks/#comment-46254">Gil Solomon</a>.</p>
<p>Well put Gil. AIJAC and other community leaders must stop being ever so diplomatic and they must start to speak plainly. Israel has more right to Judea and Samaria than the heirs of aggressor nations who migrated to the Palestine mandate with British encouragement. Plain speaking leaders would have told Carr that he is a an ex journalist and a legal ignoramus. so he ought to keep his mouth shut. He should have been told that the only contentious matter was if there is such a thing as a &#8220;Palestinian&#8221; Arab; there is no dispute that under the Balfour Declaration and the 1922 League of Nations (Treaty of Sevres), the land is assigned to the Jewish people. It is sickening that our leadership fails to denounce Carr for crawling to the mohammedans to get their vote. He is untrustworthy and despicable and should be plainly told that.</p>
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		By: steve		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[steve]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Aug 2013 14:29:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Gil,
its not just mr carr,but the Israeli government also bought into the misinformation by agreeing to refer to the jordanians who lived west of the jordan river as palestinians....they never should have]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gil,<br />
its not just mr carr,but the Israeli government also bought into the misinformation by agreeing to refer to the jordanians who lived west of the jordan river as palestinians&#8230;.they never should have</p>
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		By: Henri		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Henri]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Aug 2013 04:19:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Possible valid solution, let&#039;s change government and relegate to the dustbin of History, the giver of the SYDNEY PEACE  Prize to a vicious enemy of ISRAEL.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Possible valid solution, let&#8217;s change government and relegate to the dustbin of History, the giver of the SYDNEY PEACE  Prize to a vicious enemy of ISRAEL.</p>
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