Henry

Please answer the question I asked you:

“Now we see the UN Security Council swallow the lie that the Jewish Quarter, the Mount of Olives cemetery and the Kotel is “occupied Palestinian territory”.

Do you accept that to be true or do you disagree?”

“True” or “false” is all you need to say.

I will keep my response to you respectful and try not to attack you personally for your hurtful comments. The feedback you have already received from people like David Singer is very polite, truthful and addresses many of the issues you raised.

The culprit article written by Mark Kenny, as presented in J-Wire, has many untruths and is in my view anti-Semitic. No surprises there – Fairfax has habitually provided a lopsided and hateful view on the Israel Palestine question. Kenny conflates Jews and Israel in a completely negative sense and provides zero context as to the situation there. Fortunately Simon Plosker, supported by the majority of the commentators, exposes Kenny’s venom in a reasonable way.

I was shocked, hurt and offended by your comments and tirade against Israel. How can you ask that a Jew whose family perished in the Holocaust “have no understanding and compassion for what it means to be oppressed and denied basic human rights”? That compassion needs to be directed firstly to the Jewish people of Israel who have suffered numerous horrific, existential wars, as well as all the newest innovations of mass terror and murder, at the hands of butchers, mobsters, liars, mass murderers, and virulent anti-Semites. These are Hamas, the PA, Hezbollah, Islamic Jihad, and their paymasters Iran, Saudi Arabia, the former regimes in Syria, Iraq, Egypt, Jordan, Libya. In all fairness how can Israel respond to these modern day fascists without a show of strength? Please answer that.

You also commented that “If a vote were taken in the UN today on the granting of the state of Israel to the Jews it would be soundly defeated because of the undemocratic, racist and aggressive behavior of the Israelis who have shown a total unwillingness to behave as humanitarians.” What an outrageous statement. The UN is dominated by racist states that have no democratic tradition at all – no universal franchise, no equality before the law, institutionalised misogyny, state terror and tyranny. An example of the UN’s falsehood: they recently declared that the Jews have no connection to Jerusalem. Never mind that we have prayed towards the holiest of cities for close to 3 millennia; that our biblical King David founded it; that our closeness to Jerusalem is described in depth by Flavius Josephus, the Jewish Romanphile historian of 2 thousand years ago, in his book The Jewish War; never mind the Jewish artefacts found in Jerusalem originating thousands of years ago. And so – the UN would not vote for a Jewish state – so what? The UN is irrelevant and in its death throes anyway – it is just a mouthpiece for many lunatic regimes with malignant intent towards the world and the Jewish people aka Israel in particular.

Regarding Israel, and its treatment of Arabs, both Palestinian and foreign – the words humanitarian, civilised, fair, restrained, legal, merciful, rachamim (thats Hebrew for compassionate) – describe Israel’s behaviour. What army has ever dropped leaflets warning its deadly foes beforehand that bombs will be dropped on them (as they store and/or fire offensive weaponry against the civilian population of Israel)?What army charges its soldiers with a serious crime if an enemy combatant (ie murderous terrorist) is killed in military action, where there is the smallest chance that the terrorist was already incapacitated? It happened recently and the soldier was sentenced to 18 months imprisonment, which was futile because it did not satisfy the terrorist’s father? What country will open the specialised services of its finest hospitals to its foes who are critically sick or wounded? That happens regularly with Gazans and Syrians.

The reason Israel is so heavily militarised with so many young people bearing arms is simple – Israel needs to be prepared to react quickly to the next murderous stabbing, car/truck ramming, bombing or all out military attack from the sky or terror tunnels. We need to thank these young soldiers for preserving peace, and ask G-d to bless them for risking their own lives to keep their fellow Israelis safe.

My last point deals with your statement that you are ashamed to be a Jew. How can this possibly be? What would prompt you to transform shame into pride? Please tell us.

Rose, what makes you think that Mark Kenny writes in good faith?
Why, in your mind, is Mark Kenny more reliable than Simon Plosker?
Is it because the latter is a Jew? You did say, didn’t you, that you are ashamed to call yourself a Jew.
Please tell us, Rose.

David, if only things were that simple. It doesn’t matter who’s occupying who. We all know the history of Jerusalem and how we were forced out 2000 years ago, and since then it’s been occupied by foreign powers. Judea, 3000 years ago extended over most of today’s mid-east. The trick is to find a solution to the conflict where Jews strolling down a street in Jerusalem aren’t run over. As the Talmud says, to save one life is like saving the whole world.

Rose

I am truly concerned and very sorry that you should have been brought to the stage where you are publicly prepared to admit you are ashamed to be a Jew.

This is precisely what Arab propaganda is trying to achieve.

That the Palestinian Arabs claim oppression and denial of basic human rights has been caused by their rejection of peace proposals to resolve the Jewish-Arab conflict made in:
1. 1922 by the League of Nations
2. 1937 by the Peel Commission
3. 1947 by the United Nations
4. 1993 to 2000 by the Oslo Accords
5. 2000/2001 by Israel
6. 2008 by Israel

The conflict could also have ended at any time between 1948 to 1967 with the stroke of an Arab League pen after Jordan had forcibly evicted all the Jews living in the West Bank and East Jerusalem and occupied those areas exclusively.

The Arabs are perfectly entitled to reject those opportunities – but where has it got them over the last 100 years?

Don’t feel ashamed to be Jewish Rose.

Feel sorry for the Palestinian Arabs who have been led down the path to hell by their leadership over the last 100 years. Feel sorry that even today they are ruled by a President in the 11th year of his four year term and been denied free and fair elections for the last 10 years.Feel sorry that they do not have the opportunity to freely speak out as you have.

Remain loyal to and support the State of Israel. Hold your head high that those Arabs living in Israel (20% of the population) vote every three years and are able to rise to positions of power in Israel and their children can receive a tertiary education and that they can even call for an end to the Jewish State.

To do otherwise is to submit to the lies peddled by Arab propagandists who would like nothing more than to see Israel disappear from the face of the map and who are prepared to say anything to earn converts like you to their cause.

Might I suggest you download the following publication which will tell you about the history of the Mandate for Palestine – an international agreement that Mahmoud Abbas and the PLO calls “null and void”.
http://www.mythsandfacts.org/Conflict/mandate_for_palestine/MandateN2%20-%2010-29-07-English.pdf

You won’t regret it.

Should you wish to discuss anything with me concerning the above – please do so by emailing me at dsinger2000@gmail.com

Lioudmila

People will always take sides on any issue and that is their perfect entitlement.

How people form their views is the big question.

There is a real problem when such views are based on false and misleading information or on unsubstantiated statements of fact as Simon Plosker has so brilliantly exposed in his criticism of Mark Kenny’s article.

However Kenny’s article is but one of thousands proliferating the internet every day. Most go unanswered and so they become accepted as fact.

In a perfect world Mark Kenny should come on to J Wire and challenge Simon Plosker’s statements by justifying what he initially wrote in the Herald as being factually accurate and correct.

Don’t count on that happening.

Another thought for you Rose.
You, as a Jew, have written critically about Israel. It is your right and priceless privilege to write what you think.
Just ponder, if you can, the fate of the Palestinian who might have penned a response critical of his own. What might his life expectancy be after that.
The BIG difference between Israel and their Arab neighbours is that in broad and general terms Israel reveres life, their opponents glorify death.
I commend you to support the Nation which offers you citizenship by reason of your birth circumstances.
Israel NEEDS your help rather than your criticism.

Roy

Every article that contains false and misleading facts needs to be exposed as Plosker has done so remarkably well here.

The task is daunting as so much fake and misleading news and supposedly learned articles reeking of Jew-hatred and inaccurate facts are flooding the internet.

I get one despicable on line publication in my Inbox every day to see what is being published. The editor refuses to print any responses I want to make. Its that simple to blot out any attempt to expose these writers.

People read this rubbish, see it is unresponded to or not corrected and believe it must be true.

Editors are often as uninformed as those who write the articles.

It is one never ending challenge on the internet and there are few Jews who are prepared to take the time to answer these purveyors of lies and hatred.

I spend an inordinate amount of time answering Jew-haters who frequent other sites – Jewish and general – where my articles are published. All are anonymous and make the most outrageous and unsubstantiated claims. I find myself usually alone in shooting them down in flames with little support from anyone else.

50 angry on-line responses could make a huge difference in spreading the truth about the Jewish-Arab conflict that has gone unresolved for 100 years.

Organisations such as Honest Reporting and CAMERA are doing sterling work but the lies and falsehoods keep being regurgitated ad nauseum.

Get me fifty people who are prepared to study the history of Palestine from the 1880’s on and write responses under their own names and in their own words and be ready respond to anyone who dares to take them on.

I think we can then make some huge inroads in countering articles like Kenny’s on line since exposing their inaccuracies and errors will never be published in the Herald.

Roy – perhaps you have started something.

I know that hundreds of people have attended seminars conducted by the Board of Deputies. What they have learnt could be put to good use in joining such a group.

My email address is dsinger2000@gmail.com.

Are there any volunteers prepared to step up to the plate?