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		By: Nathan Cherny		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nathan Cherny]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2015 19:30:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.jwire.com.au/58808-2/#comment-169714&quot;&gt;Michael Kuttner&lt;/a&gt;.

There is nothing in that document proving any falsifications. 

Indeed when a current Likkud MK Oren Hazan tried to dupe Breaking the Silence with a false testimony.  The failure of all attempts to verify the information led to the ruse being discovered and exposed.

http://www.timesofisrael.com/recording-of-likud-mks-false-testimony-to-lefty-ngo-released/

In response Breakingthe Silence wrote “The many attempts by public bodies and individuals to discredit us and the soldiers of the IDF who testify before us will always fail, due to the fact that as part of the organization’s professional work, all accounts are carefully and rigorously examined in order to ensure reliability”]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.jwire.com.au/58808-2/#comment-169714">Michael Kuttner</a>.</p>
<p>There is nothing in that document proving any falsifications. </p>
<p>Indeed when a current Likkud MK Oren Hazan tried to dupe Breaking the Silence with a false testimony.  The failure of all attempts to verify the information led to the ruse being discovered and exposed.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.timesofisrael.com/recording-of-likud-mks-false-testimony-to-lefty-ngo-released/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.timesofisrael.com/recording-of-likud-mks-false-testimony-to-lefty-ngo-released/</a></p>
<p>In response Breakingthe Silence wrote “The many attempts by public bodies and individuals to discredit us and the soldiers of the IDF who testify before us will always fail, due to the fact that as part of the organization’s professional work, all accounts are carefully and rigorously examined in order to ensure reliability”</p>
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		By: Nathan Cherny		</title>
		<link>https://www.jwire.com.au/58808-2/#comment-169787</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nathan Cherny]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2015 19:23:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.jwire.com.au/58808-2/#comment-169645&quot;&gt;Michael Kuttner&lt;/a&gt;.

I stand corrected, it was the Jerusalem Court that asserted that opinion that they were a facist organization. 

The Supreme court rescinded this but did not allow Im Tirtzu to sue for damages ( they consinsidered the accusation of facisem a legitimate part of political debate with Im Titzu) the Supreme Court also compelled Im Tirtzu them to make a substantial donation to a civil society organization in recompense for their spurious SLAPP lawsuits.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.jwire.com.au/58808-2/#comment-169645">Michael Kuttner</a>.</p>
<p>I stand corrected, it was the Jerusalem Court that asserted that opinion that they were a facist organization. </p>
<p>The Supreme court rescinded this but did not allow Im Tirtzu to sue for damages ( they consinsidered the accusation of facisem a legitimate part of political debate with Im Titzu) the Supreme Court also compelled Im Tirtzu them to make a substantial donation to a civil society organization in recompense for their spurious SLAPP lawsuits.</p>
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		By: Michael Kuttner		</title>
		<link>https://www.jwire.com.au/58808-2/#comment-169714</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael Kuttner]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2015 05:31:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.jwire.com.au/58808-2/#comment-169607&quot;&gt;Mike Gold&lt;/a&gt;.

Mike

In response to your question and for everyone else&#039;s elucidation here is a link to an NGO Monitor expose about BTS.  

http://www.ngo-monitor.org/article/what_they_don_t_tell_you_answers_to_questions_about_breaking_the_silence_and_the_nif0]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.jwire.com.au/58808-2/#comment-169607">Mike Gold</a>.</p>
<p>Mike</p>
<p>In response to your question and for everyone else&#8217;s elucidation here is a link to an NGO Monitor expose about BTS.  </p>
<p><a href="http://www.ngo-monitor.org/article/what_they_don_t_tell_you_answers_to_questions_about_breaking_the_silence_and_the_nif0" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.ngo-monitor.org/article/what_they_don_t_tell_you_answers_to_questions_about_breaking_the_silence_and_the_nif0</a></p>
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		By: Henry Herzog		</title>
		<link>https://www.jwire.com.au/58808-2/#comment-169702</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Henry Herzog]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2015 02:33:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.jwire.com.au/58808-2/#comment-169650&quot;&gt;Paul Winter&lt;/a&gt;.

Very convincing and well researched arguments Paul, particularly the one about the NIF.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.jwire.com.au/58808-2/#comment-169650">Paul Winter</a>.</p>
<p>Very convincing and well researched arguments Paul, particularly the one about the NIF.</p>
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		By: Paul Winter		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Paul Winter]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Dec 2015 06:54:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.jwire.com.au/58808-2/#comment-169610&quot;&gt;Henry Herzog&lt;/a&gt;.

Henry, facts are neither hate nor paranoia. 

If you have nothing more constructive to contribute than your supposed worrying about the sleep of people whom you smear as far-right, take a cold shower and have a decent rest.

Jews in the Diaspora have a right to comment about affairs in the nation state of the Jewish people. And the topic was raised by Liam Getreu who resides in Sydney, so your point about non-Israeli comments is invalid.

The NIF is a malevolent actor in Israel. That is not a left or a right wing observation, but one that is evidence based and principled.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.jwire.com.au/58808-2/#comment-169610">Henry Herzog</a>.</p>
<p>Henry, facts are neither hate nor paranoia. </p>
<p>If you have nothing more constructive to contribute than your supposed worrying about the sleep of people whom you smear as far-right, take a cold shower and have a decent rest.</p>
<p>Jews in the Diaspora have a right to comment about affairs in the nation state of the Jewish people. And the topic was raised by Liam Getreu who resides in Sydney, so your point about non-Israeli comments is invalid.</p>
<p>The NIF is a malevolent actor in Israel. That is not a left or a right wing observation, but one that is evidence based and principled.</p>
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		By: Paul Winter		</title>
		<link>https://www.jwire.com.au/58808-2/#comment-169649</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Paul Winter]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Dec 2015 06:45:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.jwire.com.au/58808-2/#comment-169586&quot;&gt;Nathan Cherny&lt;/a&gt;.

Nathan, the New Israel Fund was concocted in 1979 after its predecessor USA Jewish groups CONAME, BREIRA, New Jewish Agenda and Peace Now were discredited after their anti-Zionist agenda was exposed.

The leaders of those groups re-invented themselves as Zionistic to better undermine Israel. The NIF is supported by rich Jews who like playing proletarians but who in fact just want to secure their place in the USA and at the same time want to cement their credentials with their European comrades. They also accept money from the USA government. 

The NIF supports gangs that vilify Israel on the international scene and involve themselves in lawfare in Israel. The NIF tries to shift the Israeli electorate to the left by non-democratic means and as a foreign entity displays its contempt for Israeli society.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.jwire.com.au/58808-2/#comment-169586">Nathan Cherny</a>.</p>
<p>Nathan, the New Israel Fund was concocted in 1979 after its predecessor USA Jewish groups CONAME, BREIRA, New Jewish Agenda and Peace Now were discredited after their anti-Zionist agenda was exposed.</p>
<p>The leaders of those groups re-invented themselves as Zionistic to better undermine Israel. The NIF is supported by rich Jews who like playing proletarians but who in fact just want to secure their place in the USA and at the same time want to cement their credentials with their European comrades. They also accept money from the USA government. </p>
<p>The NIF supports gangs that vilify Israel on the international scene and involve themselves in lawfare in Israel. The NIF tries to shift the Israeli electorate to the left by non-democratic means and as a foreign entity displays its contempt for Israeli society.</p>
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		By: Michael Kuttner		</title>
		<link>https://www.jwire.com.au/58808-2/#comment-169645</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael Kuttner]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Dec 2015 06:21:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.jwire.com.au/58808-2/#comment-169467&quot;&gt;Nathan Cherny&lt;/a&gt;.

Nathan

You are of course perfectly entitled to defend NIF and its dubious associates but at the same time cannot complain when others point out uncomfortable truths. It also pays to get your facts right. Below is a link to the report which proves that the Israel Supreme Court did NOT call Im Tirtzu fascist and in fact overturned a lower court ruling to that effect. 

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/198181#.VnZHCEz0a_Q]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.jwire.com.au/58808-2/#comment-169467">Nathan Cherny</a>.</p>
<p>Nathan</p>
<p>You are of course perfectly entitled to defend NIF and its dubious associates but at the same time cannot complain when others point out uncomfortable truths. It also pays to get your facts right. Below is a link to the report which proves that the Israel Supreme Court did NOT call Im Tirtzu fascist and in fact overturned a lower court ruling to that effect. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/198181#.VnZHCEz0a_Q" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/198181#.VnZHCEz0a_Q</a></p>
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		By: Henry Herzog		</title>
		<link>https://www.jwire.com.au/58808-2/#comment-169610</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Henry Herzog]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Dec 2015 23:26:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[All this hatred and paranoia. I feel sorry for all those comment makers on the far-right who are so scared of everything; I mean, going to bed every night must be hell. Worrying about all their enemies out there, waiting. The absurd thing is, none of them live in Israel, they just stand on the side-line cheering the Israeli right to continue the conflict, and hurl abuse at anyone who disagrees with them, and think that they&#039;re doing their part for Israel]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All this hatred and paranoia. I feel sorry for all those comment makers on the far-right who are so scared of everything; I mean, going to bed every night must be hell. Worrying about all their enemies out there, waiting. The absurd thing is, none of them live in Israel, they just stand on the side-line cheering the Israeli right to continue the conflict, and hurl abuse at anyone who disagrees with them, and think that they&#8217;re doing their part for Israel</p>
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		By: Mike Gold		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike Gold]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Dec 2015 22:36:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.jwire.com.au/58808-2/#comment-169438&quot;&gt;Rami Reed&lt;/a&gt;.

Name one example where a BTS testimony was proven false.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.jwire.com.au/58808-2/#comment-169438">Rami Reed</a>.</p>
<p>Name one example where a BTS testimony was proven false.</p>
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		By: Nathan Cherny		</title>
		<link>https://www.jwire.com.au/58808-2/#comment-169586</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nathan Cherny]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Dec 2015 19:51:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.jwire.com.au/58808-2/#comment-169503&quot;&gt;Ron Jontof-Hutter&lt;/a&gt;.

Ron
the New Israel Fund is overwhelmingly supported by individual donors (not governments) manly from the US, with smaller proportion of its funding coming from Europe  and (prouldly) Australia. The staff here are Israeli and all of the NGOs supported are Israeli. 

The NIF does not support BDS or fund organizations which  and has very clear guidelines regarding this issue: &quot;The NIF does oppose the global (or general) BDS movement, views the use of these tactics as counterproductive, and is concerned that segments of this movement seek to undermine the existence of the state of Israel as a Jewish homeland. NIF will not fund global BDS activities against Israel nor support organizations that have global BDS programs. However, NIF opposes the occupation and settlement activities. NIF will thus not exclude support for organizations that lawfully discourage the purchase of goods or use of services from settlements.&quot;

The majority of Israelis don&#039;t support the &quot;Zionist Camp&quot;, that doesn&#039;t mean that they will pack up and leave... The nature of democracy is that minority voices are allowed to be heard.

You may not agree with the agenda of the civil society and human rights movements in Israel (you may support settling and annexing all of the west bank for all I know) but our concerns for the well being of our state is a born out our Zionist commitments.  And yes, I do ask that you respect that.

Nathan Cherny
Jerusalem]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.jwire.com.au/58808-2/#comment-169503">Ron Jontof-Hutter</a>.</p>
<p>Ron<br />
the New Israel Fund is overwhelmingly supported by individual donors (not governments) manly from the US, with smaller proportion of its funding coming from Europe  and (prouldly) Australia. The staff here are Israeli and all of the NGOs supported are Israeli. </p>
<p>The NIF does not support BDS or fund organizations which  and has very clear guidelines regarding this issue: &#8220;The NIF does oppose the global (or general) BDS movement, views the use of these tactics as counterproductive, and is concerned that segments of this movement seek to undermine the existence of the state of Israel as a Jewish homeland. NIF will not fund global BDS activities against Israel nor support organizations that have global BDS programs. However, NIF opposes the occupation and settlement activities. NIF will thus not exclude support for organizations that lawfully discourage the purchase of goods or use of services from settlements.&#8221;</p>
<p>The majority of Israelis don&#8217;t support the &#8220;Zionist Camp&#8221;, that doesn&#8217;t mean that they will pack up and leave&#8230; The nature of democracy is that minority voices are allowed to be heard.</p>
<p>You may not agree with the agenda of the civil society and human rights movements in Israel (you may support settling and annexing all of the west bank for all I know) but our concerns for the well being of our state is a born out our Zionist commitments.  And yes, I do ask that you respect that.</p>
<p>Nathan Cherny<br />
Jerusalem</p>
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