Max Brenner support in Sydney
Federal Labor MP Michael Danby hosted household names on a bitterly cold evening at Max Brenner’s chocolate shop on SYdney’s Broadway…sending a message to those who support boycotts against Israel and have use the Brenner company as a target for their protests.
Gerard Henderson, Eric Roozendahl, Jana Wendt, Paul Howes, Warren Mundine, Austen Tayshus and Michael Danby Pic: Henry Benjamin
At one table, Danby was joined in conversation by former NSW treasurer Eric Roozendahl, journalists Gerard Henderson and Jana Wendt, ex-Labor Party president Warren Mundine, Australian Workers Union secretary Paul Howes and comedian Austen Tayshus aka Sandy Gutman.
But they were not alone in the busy restaurant. Many members of the Sydney community were at adjoining tables showing their support for the anti-BDS gathering including the executive director of The Executive Council of Australian Jewry Peter Wertheim, former president Robert Goot and Yair Miller, president of the NSW Jewish Board of Deputies.
Recently, a Max Brenner store in Melbourne was the scene of a protest supporting a boycott against Israel. Three policemen were injured and 19 protesters arrested.
Mundine told media that the boycott was not anti-Israel but “anti-Jewish”.
Paul Howes said: “The violence outside the Melbourne outlet earlier this month shocked me. The violence I witnessed in our media after the anti-Israel BDS mob targeted a Jewish-owned business was far too reminiscent of Hitler-era mobs targeting Jewish businesses in Berlin. We have to nip this in the bud. There is simply no excuse for the Extremist Far Left seemingly mimicking the behaviour of the Nazi thugs. A Jewish-owned shop was surrounded by Far Left protestors, some of them linked arms, demanding people not patronise the shop because it supplies sweets to the Israeli Army. Australians of all political hues have to show they won’t stand by and allow this to be an established part of social discourse in this country.”
“ Violence of any sort during protests is abhorrent. Violence based on religious and ethnic hatred must be firmly opposed in our multicultural society,” Paul Howes added.
Michael Danby said: “ It is a tribute to the real spirit of Australia that these identities , so well known in public life, Paul Howes, Warren Mundine, Sandy Gutman, Jana Wendt, Gerard Henderson and Eric Roozendahl, turned out to identify with the Australian Jewish Community to repudiate the boycotters. The boycott against Revlon because the chairman is a member of the Simon Wiesenthal Centre and the call to boycott Westfield are contained in the official glossy boycott brochure. Lets call a spade a spade. These people advocate a boycott of Jewish commerce”
He added: “Boycott activists and Greens political party Senator Lee Rhiannon claimed in Sydney on Friday night that she wanted to extend the Boycott. She also falsely claimed the Boycott was peaceful. We know better that in Sydney and in Melbourne the Socialist Alternative and Hamas supporters are violent and aggressive.
Anyone who wants to see what these people really stand for need to only look at the slogan chanted by them when they protest Max Brenner or other Israeli and Jewish shops. There slogan From the River to the Sea is an Hamas slogan. These people are violent extremists and bigots. Our latest manifestation at Max Brenner is a sign that mainstream Australia does not support these extreme views.”
To Alex Milne
Remember Tony Abbott who was castigated for speaking at a rally at Parliament House when an offensive poster was put up behind him which he didn’t even see?
If you knowingly associate with Jew haters carrying posters and calling out “Free Palestine” and “Free Palestine from the River to the Sea” you cannot escape criticism for not tearing down their banners and telling them to get the hell out of there. If you lie down with dogs you get fleas.
You have also been duped on the right of return.
The Universal Declaration says:
“Everyone has the right to leave any country, including his own, and to return to his country.”
“Palestine” was not a country. It was not independent nor did it possess the attributes of sovereignty. It was part of the former territory of the Ottoman Empire captured in the First World War and placed under Mandate to Great Britain.
Had the Arabs accepted the partition plans proposed in 1937 or 1947 – or even accepted Israel’s declaration of independence in 1948 – the situation might have have been different. But they didn’t and went to war to try and get it all.
The right of return is a furphy that has only inflicted untold suffering on the poor refugees who have been kept in refugee camps for decades believing that one day they would return to Haifa and Jaffa.
People like you repeating this nonsense only help to perpetuate the status quo.
Jews came from the Nazi concentration camps and were resettled in Palestine to start their lives anew. The Arab countries could have done the same for the Palestinian Arab refugees instead of letting them rot in camps until today with no human dignity or hope – only increasing hatred for the Jews.
Think again about the rubbish you are posting. It only keeps getting worse.
Alex Milne and all other purveyors of “fairness”in human affairs, get this:
It is absolutely fair for Jews to build and control a state of their own !!!
In that particular State, called Israel,fundamental state principles of security must prevail,just as with any other state.
Considering the millenia old reality of anti Semitism and contemporary extremely tangible threats to Israel’s security by its Arab neighbours, of whom the so called palestinians are, by far,the greatest element of danger, the necessary composition of the Sate of Israel must rely mainly on those who can ensure Israel’s security. Israel’s Jewish population is the most reliable dmographic element to provide the said security.A larger Arab population in Israel provided by those who reckon that they have the “right” to occupy major Israeli teritory will GUARANTEE a drastic change in the security of the Jewish population of Israel.
Alex Milne talks about “equality” as if the arabs calling themselves palestinians would be some kind of angels deprived of their rights. Either Alex Milne has been dweeling under some rock for the past two thousand years or he reckons that Jews are as stupid as he obviously reckons they are “domineering” and “opressive”,not that such thoughts would make him a traditional subliminal,at least, anti Semite.
Just you wait for the retort ” I am not an anti Semite, far from it,just want a fair deal for everyone etc. etc.”
As we Jews believe in the comming of Messiah, once He will arrive all of Alex Milne’s and his mates’ demands for “fairness” will be granted.
Meanwhile fairness must be applied to the treatement of Hamas and the rest of their “opressed” and homeless artisans of terror.
To David Singer
The BDS campaign calls for equal rights between Palestinians and Jews. The fact that this campaign was instituted by Hamas does not mean that support for the BDS is the same as support for the Hamas charter.
The discrimination over the right of return is one of the most glaring inequalities in Israel/Palestine. The Universal Declaration of Human Rights allows any person the right to return to his or her country of origin. This right is denied to Palestinians. In contrast, the Israeli Law of Return extends the right of return to “a child and a grandchild of a Jew, the spouse of a Jew, the spouse of a child of a Jew and the spouse of a grandchild of a Jew”.
Is this fair?
To Alex Milne
So you agree the Palestinians claim is false and yet you still support their BDS program.
Have you any views on the following clauses in the Charter:
Article 5: The Palestinians are those Arab nationals who, until 1947, normally resided in Palestine regardless of whether they were evicted from it or have stayed there. Anyone born, after that date, of a Palestinian father – whether inside Palestine or outside it – is also a Palestinian.
Article 6: The Jews who had normally resided in Palestine until the beginning of the Zionist invasion will be considered Palestinians.
Are you still comfortable supporting a BDS campaign instituted by people whose objective is to wipe out Israel and reinstate 1947 Palestine with no equal rights between Arabs and Jews?
I appreciate being given the space in this forum. I only became involved in this site when I looked for information re the Max Bremmer rally on the ‘net and came across a lot of inaccurate and insulting claims that we are a bunch of Jew-hating bigots. I assure you that nothing could be further from the truth!
I understand that you and others on this site have a very different view to us regarding the Palestinian-Jewish conflict. Perhaps we are wrong, in our support for Palestinians. But we do not hate Jews.
to Alex Milne
- at the academic level you have failed both in logic and data.
- at the factual political data you failed to consider comprehensive and true,well known facts.
In both cases you extrapolate and abuse reality in a manner I and all those contributing here on behalf of Israel have been exposed to for decades.You do not add anything original and/or rational to the tested and failed palestinian ideology.
These are the only valid “academic” considerations.
You are being decently and politely allowed to exhibit your views not because you’d inspire, in spite of what you may think.
I am not being abruptly dismissive because I have already dismissed your position from your words: ” In my opinion “.
To David Singer:
All the Abrahamic faiths have religious ties to Isreal/Palestine, so the Charter’s claim that Jews do not is clearly false. The rest of the Charter sounds quite reasonable to me.
To Otto Waldmann:
You accuse others of employing a pseudo academic approach?!
To Alex Milne
Forget the mammals, cheese lovers and mice.
Focus on the Palestinian Arabs – who devised the world wide BDS campaign of Jewish goods and services emanating from Israel and the West Bank that you apparently support.
This is what their Charter says:
“Claims of historical or religious ties of Jews with Palestine are incompatible with the facts of history and the true conception of what constitutes statehood. Judaism, being a religion, is not an independent nationality. Nor do Jews constitute a single nation with an identity of its own; they are citizens of the states to which they belong. ”
Is this Jew-hatred or not?
Support the BDS if you will. But don’t pretend to be under any illusion about what you are doing and who you are getting into bed with.
To Alex Milne
1st. – You attribute my argument a false syllogism which in itself contains a non sequitur. All my propositions or premisses are concordant with the respective conclusions. By posing false premisses in your “demonstration” of elementary logic and falsely attributing them to ME, you perform PRECISELY the same dismissably highly prejudiced rhetorical comedy act so transparent in your ideological attack on matters Jewish and Israeli. Let’s make one point clear:
THERE IS NO CONTRADICTION BETWEEN ANTI ISRAEL AND ANTI SEMITIC STANCES !!!
Those who reckon that they may escape the CORRECT syllogisms I have presented, and are persuaded into the false areguments in your attempt at compromising a verifyable reality of palestinian extended Israel hate propaganda, suffer from severe debilitating credulity, a condition you and your mates are exploiting cynically and,might I say, doomed to ridicule and, therefore, failure.
Placing as arguments logical demonstration juxtaposed to what YOU would falsely, therefore tendentiously, pretend would be my stances and respective logic is not only dishonest within the generosity of this debate forum, is not only highly abusive of you,but so easily proven disingenious, to the point of saying that you have mutilated your ideological foot by shooting it with rational blanks in such a manner that this is, arguably, the only instance when a blank is actually..loaded.
2nd- This is an exercise in eliciting relevant facts and not one engaged in constructing a “logical” edifice of the ideology of the anti Israel camp, one that has been indulging in a variety of tactics. One of the tactics employed of late has been the pseudo academic approach. A tangible reality of terror,prejudice and persecution definitory of the ENTIRE palestinian society is glossed over by a virtual academic “aula” ( lecture theatre ) type of “elevated”, “elegant” touches of the pretence of some kind of metamorphosis of a palestinian party dancing, in perpetual fact, to the tune of the only music they can produce,the sound of Kassam.
“Polished” clowns,such as Khatib, a revamped Ashrawi, regiments of tendentious and farcical fellow travellers, such as yourself and some other comrades engaged in this forum ( one “hasbaracentral” with acute convulsions of unhappiness excreted upon us )reckon that by ,digressing into home-made contortions of dialectics, could “demonstrate” that Zionism is such a universal malefactor that humanity should expurgate !
And since analogy is your ellected type of “addressing” the issues…directly, my alluding to nazi inherrited anti Semitism in all your approaches, whether you’d be aware of it or not, based on my very solid historical knowledge of the phenomenon, you will have to carry the burden of my “incongruities”.