Comments for J-Wire http://www.jwire.com.au Digital Jewish news daily for Australia and New Zealand Thu, 14 Dec 2017 22:10:08 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=4.9.1 Comment on Religious Liberals: On the Way Down?…asks Bill Rubinstein by Ilan BUCHMAN http://www.jwire.com.au/religious-liberals-on-the-way-down-asks-bill-rubinstein/#comment-280716 Thu, 14 Dec 2017 22:10:08 +0000 http://www.jwire.com.au/?p=80035#comment-280716 These are your words Professor Rubinstin, not mine. You clearly used the word “mainstream”. See below:

” In America and elsewhere, many mainstream Protestant denominations have become little more than left-wing activist groups, advocating every and any current nostrum of the secular left as a matter of course. (Nearly all of these churches, it should be noted, are also haters of Israel, to the extent that many Jewish groups regard them as anti-semitic.)”

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Comment on Maccabi Victoria welcomes marriage equality by Michael Barnett http://www.jwire.com.au/maccabi-victoria-welcomes-marriage-equality/#comment-280713 Thu, 14 Dec 2017 21:57:57 +0000 http://www.jwire.com.au/?p=80045#comment-280713 It’s unpleasant to experience vilification for being a persecuted minority, isn’t it?

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Comment on Davar Acher by Monty Pogoda http://www.jwire.com.au/davar-acher/#comment-280657 Thu, 14 Dec 2017 17:45:46 +0000 http://www.jwire.com.au/?p=80172#comment-280657 Same sex marriages are Biblically forbidden. You’re contradicting a Divine law.

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Comment on Disagreeing with Bill Rubinstein by Paul Winter http://www.jwire.com.au/disagreeing-with-bill-rubinstein/#comment-280573 Thu, 14 Dec 2017 11:00:13 +0000 http://www.jwire.com.au/?p=80117#comment-280573 Stating that “I disagree” without giving reasons is puerile. Membership is a measure of popularity rather than commitment to and understanding of Judaism.

When Reform (to me now Deformed) Judaism makes a big deal out of koshrut but chooses to celebrate same sex marriage defined as and abomination punishable by death in the bible and when services are all in Hebrew, like in the bad old days when congregants rattled off prayers they didn’t comprehend and social, green, interfaith and migrant (read economic invaders) issues, our movement is in deep trouble. Trouble caused by our rabbis who have lost their way but still pretend to lead.

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Comment on Maccabi Victoria welcomes marriage equality by Robert Weil http://www.jwire.com.au/maccabi-victoria-welcomes-marriage-equality/#comment-280545 Thu, 14 Dec 2017 09:45:15 +0000 http://www.jwire.com.au/?p=80045#comment-280545 None of the above Michael. Just for wanting to contribute to the debate and to express my point of view which may have differed from yours.

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Comment on Religious Liberals: On the Way Down?…asks Bill Rubinstein by Bill Rubinstein http://www.jwire.com.au/religious-liberals-on-the-way-down-asks-bill-rubinstein/#comment-280522 Thu, 14 Dec 2017 07:31:32 +0000 http://www.jwire.com.au/?p=80035#comment-280522 To put the matter bluntly, Dr. Buchman doesn’t know what he is talking about.
I referred to liberal Protestant denominations, not to “all” mainstream Protestant denominations, and what I claimed can be confirmed by half an hour on the internet. I mentioned three liberal Protestant denomination, the Presbyterian Church USA, the United Church of Christ, and the United Church of Canada.
Concerning the Presbyterians,he should have a look at its Wikipedia entry under “Israel-Palestine Conflict”: “In June 2004 the [Church’s] General Assembly met… and adopted by a vote of 431-62 a resolution that called upon [it] ‘to initiate a process of phased, selective disinvestment in the multinational corporations operating in Israel … A second resolution, calling for the end to the construction of a wall by the state of Israel passed … In August 2011 [its] American National Middle Eastern caucus endorsed the boycott, divestment, and sanctions campaign against Israel. In January 2014 [the Church] published “Zionism Unsettled”… the Simon Wiesenthal Center described the study guide “a hit-piece outside all norms of interfaith dialogue. It is a compendium of distortions, ignorance, and outright lies … that tragically emanated all too often from elites within the church.”
Concerning the United Church of Christ, have a look at its Wikipedia entry headed “Statement on the Relationship Between Israel and Palestinians”: It “passed two resolutions concerning the conflict between Israel and Palestinians. One called for the use of economic leverage to promote peace in the Middle East, which can include such measures as … selective disinvestment from companies which profit from the continuing Israel-Palestinian conflict. The other resolution, named ‘Tear Down the Wall,’ calls upon Israel to remove the separation barrier … Opponents of the resolution noted that the wall’s purpose is to prevent terrorist attacks, and that the resolution does not call for a stop to these attacks. The Simon Wiesenthal Center stated that the resolutions were ‘functionally anti-semitic’.” Concerning the United Church of Canada, a story in the Times of Israel, “United Church of Canada Passes Israel Divestment Resolution” (12 August 2015) stated that “The United Church of Canada passed a resolution on Tuesday … encouraging divestment from Israel in order ‘to address the illegal occupation of Palestinian territories by the State of Israel.’ The new resolution called for ‘initiating and developing a program of education and advocacy in cooperation with our partners, related to divestment from and economic sanctions against all corporations and institutions complicit in and benefiting from the illegal occupation’.” It was described by the Toronto based Friends of the Simon Wiesenthal Center as ‘nothing less than an assault on the Jewish people.” (National Post, 5 December 2013).
What I have set out here is only the tip of an enormous iceberg.
For instance, despite the excellent record of the Quakers (the Society of Friends) in assisting Jewish refugees from the Nazis, its American Friends Service Committee was described by Jacob Neusner in 1993 as “the most militant and aggressive of Christian anti-Israel groups.” All of these denominations, by the way, are declining in membership at an almost unbelievable rate. The General Secretary of the notorious roof body of Protestant denominations, the World Council of Churches, stated that “We support the Palestinians. The WCC supports the Palestinians, because they are in the right.” (Wikipedia
Despite being totally ignorant about this subject, Dr. Buchman has attacked me in ad hominem terms. Bill Rubinstein

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Comment on Media falsely discredit Trump as he confronts UN on Jerusalem by Eleonora Mostert http://www.jwire.com.au/media-falsely-discredit-trump-as-he-confronts-un-on-jerusalem/#comment-280505 Thu, 14 Dec 2017 05:40:18 +0000 http://www.jwire.com.au/?p=80021#comment-280505 Oops… “Much of the media!!!”… Don’t you mean “All of ther Mainsream Media!!”.

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Comment on Religious Liberals: On the Way Down?…asks Bill Rubinstein by Doodie Ringelblum http://www.jwire.com.au/religious-liberals-on-the-way-down-asks-bill-rubinstein/#comment-280499 Thu, 14 Dec 2017 04:58:22 +0000 http://www.jwire.com.au/?p=80035#comment-280499 Curious comments from a professor of history.
What would the good professor have said 100 years ago when Orthodoxy was waning, both in Europe and the USA, and Reform on the rise at least in the latter. Would he have predicted the demise of Orthodoxy then? If not – why does he predict it for the reform movements now.
(Also note that the fastest growing shul in Melbourne is Kehilat Koleinu which isn’t reform – it’s entirely secular).

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Comment on Disagreeing with Bill Rubinstein by Marcus Einfeld http://www.jwire.com.au/disagreeing-with-bill-rubinstein/#comment-280476 Thu, 14 Dec 2017 02:17:39 +0000 http://www.jwire.com.au/?p=80117#comment-280476 Well said R’Jeffrey. Our enemies will never destroy us but we might just destroy ourselves from within if old fashioned prejudices and biases are fostered and continued. Let’s get on with being Jews not particles of the whole.

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Comment on Davar Acher by Debbie Scholem http://www.jwire.com.au/davar-acher/#comment-280464 Thu, 14 Dec 2017 01:10:39 +0000 http://www.jwire.com.au/?p=80172#comment-280464 Thank you Rabbi Nicole for your wise words and loving support for Kol Yisrael.

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