Comments for J-Wire http://www.jwire.com.au Jewish Online News from Australia, New Zealand and world-wide Thu, 24 Jul 2014 12:13:03 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.9.1 Comment on A Time to Speak and a Time for Silence … Writes Gil Solomon by Rachel Ross http://www.jwire.com.au/featured-articles/a-time-to-speak-and-a-time-for-silence-writes-gil-solomon/44689/comment-page-1#comment-98212 Thu, 24 Jul 2014 12:13:03 +0000 http://www.jwire.com.au/?p=44689#comment-98212 Many good points made but giving humanitarian and medical help to our enemies has been an Israeli hallmark which distinguishes the Jews from all the other nations in the region. We can be proud of that fact, and also use it as leverage against our enemies in the UN, even if it may affect the final outcome of the war to some degree. It’s definitely a dilemma, as so many Israeli soldiers are being killed, which is heart wrenching.

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Comment on Australian and Israeli flags set on fire in Melbourne by Erica Edelman http://www.jwire.com.au/news/australian-and-israeli-flags-set-on-fire-in-melbourne/44681/comment-page-1#comment-98203 Thu, 24 Jul 2014 11:50:34 +0000 http://www.jwire.com.au/?p=44681#comment-98203 Un-peace loving is as un-peace loving does .
As one Muslim humanist put it “the Jewish people
Are people of the Book ” and the Arabs and Muslims and
Palestinians are ” warriors of the desert”
Will there EVER be peace in this region?

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Comment on Israel under investigation by Lynne Newington http://www.jwire.com.au/news/israel-under-investigation/44672/comment-page-1#comment-98178 Thu, 24 Jul 2014 10:21:38 +0000 http://www.jwire.com.au/?p=44672#comment-98178 My initial thoughts on this were:
Where was the United Nations when thousands of Argentinians under the dictatorship regime were disappearing, tortured, many drugged and dropped into the Atlantic Ocean, never to be seen alive again; and the hundreds of children deprived of their mothers removed as deemed unfit because of an ideology, not withstanding many making complaints through various human rights agencies and activists, with those well placed in society claiming their clerical rights never being brought to account free to clime the ecclesiastical ladder.
The government could never have existed without the support of the church, who was being financially supported by them.
Maybe with all due respect, High Commisioner Pillay isn’t as up to date as she should be on international issues still hanging over the heads of many.
Ask the mothers and grandmothers still seeking to know the fate of their loved ones still knocking on heavens door.

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Comment on A Time to Speak and a Time for Silence … Writes Gil Solomon by Richard-Rafael Joachim http://www.jwire.com.au/featured-articles/a-time-to-speak-and-a-time-for-silence-writes-gil-solomon/44689/comment-page-1#comment-98160 Thu, 24 Jul 2014 09:46:46 +0000 http://www.jwire.com.au/?p=44689#comment-98160 Yes Gil, what you are advocating is total war. In a ‘Total War’ of course ‘civilians’ will be hurt, that is the nature of war. From the Islamist sides they already have total war against Israel and all Jews, so Israel has no need to declare any different. Yes, total war would finish the Gazan ‘conflict’ very quickly but it will be heavy on the conscience of all Jewry but what need to be done needs to be done and these are no real ‘civilians in Gaza as they all support the destruction of Israel no matter what their faction.

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Comment on Israel under investigation by sam Goldman http://www.jwire.com.au/news/israel-under-investigation/44672/comment-page-1#comment-98130 Thu, 24 Jul 2014 08:19:45 +0000 http://www.jwire.com.au/?p=44672#comment-98130 Israel should counter-charge the UN with war crimes for having missiles stored in THEIR schools.

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Comment on Causes and solutions…writes Peter Slezak by Laibl Wolf http://www.jwire.com.au/featured-articles/causes-and-solutions-writes-peter-slezak/44691/comment-page-1#comment-98120 Thu, 24 Jul 2014 08:05:49 +0000 http://www.jwire.com.au/?p=44691#comment-98120 Citing well known intellectuals as a support base doesn’t impress me,Peter. The architects of the Final Solution also possessed PhD’s and cited high ranking academics to support the ‘vermin theory’ about Jews. I am interested in why Peter Slezak chooses this moment to equivocate about the distinction between those who attack and those who are attacked, and like many, falls into the trap of moral relativism. Don’t try to balance ‘the government’ of Hamas’ declaration of Israel’s extermination, with shortcomings on occasion by an Israeli army/citizens that imbues its citizenry and soldiers with ethics and morality to fight a just war. Peter, at a time when the true antisemitic undercurrents are visible for all to see, (a la Kristallnacht, except in located this time in Paris) and coming to the fore in Europe and elsewhere (even right here in Australia) and when the culture of the media is that of ‘avant garde, post modern, ‘hip’ hatred of Israel’, that is not the time to equivocate, especially at a time when your brothers and sisters are weeping and subject to incessant bombardment. Contain yourself and time hurtful pronouncements at a more compassionate moment.

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Comment on A Time to Speak and a Time for Silence … Writes Gil Solomon by Philip Drew http://www.jwire.com.au/featured-articles/a-time-to-speak-and-a-time-for-silence-writes-gil-solomon/44689/comment-page-1#comment-98118 Thu, 24 Jul 2014 08:01:38 +0000 http://www.jwire.com.au/?p=44689#comment-98118 How did this casual acceptance of the doctrine of generalised and collective punishment of the innocent along with the guilty become so entrenched? Mr. Solomon dismisses any notion of “innocence” of casualties on the grounds that, having being forewarned and not fled or having voted for Hamas, they become fair game.
Does he really mean that those who choose to stay or have no means of escape are transformed into worthless animate objects devoid of any human rights or considerations. I’m not sure by what means a 10 year old child would have the means to flee or participate in an election that keeps Hamas to power. At what point, and for what reason, does that child’s death become inconsequential? At what point does our moral compass bend to a casual acceptance of torture as Mr. Solomon advocates.
Mr. Solomon’s idea that a complete and unconditional surrender can be forced upon a ragbag collection of fanatical religious and/or political fanatics is laughable. Fanatics are driven by their unwavering sense of self righteousness. They care nothing for anyone who does not share their distorted views, not even their own people. Conflict is their chosen way of life and there are plenty more to take their place should they be defeated this time around. Conflict gives them self justification for existence. Without conflict they will lose their raison d’être and their strength.
The idea that a final victory could be grasped if only the “gloves were taken off” and all human restraint were temporarily abandoned is morally repugnant and strategically absurd. We must never be seduced by the notion that we could strike a blow from which the enemy could never recover if only we dared to sink to their depths.
Israel must defend itself and must engage Hamas but in its ascendancy it must never abandon the moral principles and the ancient ethical framework through which it derives its legitimacy. Civilian casualties are inevitable but let’s not crow about it or downplay its essential tragedy. Most of all let’s not blame the innocent for their demise.

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Comment on Causes and solutions…writes Peter Slezak by david singer http://www.jwire.com.au/featured-articles/causes-and-solutions-writes-peter-slezak/44691/comment-page-1#comment-98103 Thu, 24 Jul 2014 07:27:44 +0000 http://www.jwire.com.au/?p=44691#comment-98103 Peter Slezak

Could you please furnish me with a list of alternative Palestinian and Arab voices that have responded to the following Hamas declaration:

“The Islamic Resistance Movement believes that the land of Palestine is an Islamic Waqf consecrated for future Moslem generations until Judgement Day. It, or any part of it, should not be squandered: it, or any part of it, should not be given up. Neither a single Arab country nor all Arab countries, neither any king or president, nor all the kings and presidents, neither any organization nor all of them, be they Palestinian or Arab, possess the right to do that. Palestine is an Islamic Waqf land consecrated for Moslem generations until Judgement Day. This being so, who could claim to have the right to represent Moslem generations till Judgement Day?”

Perhaps you might direct me to alternative Palestinian and Arab voices who condemn the following Hamas declaration:

“Now and then the call goes out for the convening of an international conference to look for ways of solving the (Palestinian) question. Some accept, others reject the idea, for this or other reason, with one stipulation or more for consent to convening the conference and participating in it. Knowing the parties constituting the conference, their past and present attitudes towards Moslem problems, the Islamic Resistance Movement does not consider these conferences capable of realising the demands, restoring the rights or doing justice to the oppressed. These conferences are only ways of setting the infidels in the land of the Moslems as arbitraters. When did the infidels do justice to the believers?

“But the Jews will not be pleased with thee, neither the Christians, until thou follow their religion; say, The direction of Allah is the true direction. And verily if thou follow their desires, after the knowledge which hath been given thee, thou shalt find no patron or protector against Allah.” (The Cow – verse 120).
There is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad. Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are all a waste of time and vain endeavors. The Palestinian people know better than to consent to having their future, rights and fate toyed with. As in said in the honourable Hadith:

“The people of Syria are Allah’s lash in His land. He wreaks His vengeance through them against whomsoever He wishes among His slaves It is unthinkable that those who are double-faced among them should prosper over the faithful. They will certainly die out of grief and desperation.”

Could you also refer me to alternative Palestinian and Arab voices who have criticised Hamas for indiscriminately firing some 2300 rockets into Israeli civilian population centres over the past 16 days – each of which is indisputably a war crime.

Perhaps you might add some reading material from alternative Palestinian and Arab commentators condemning Hamas using Gazans as human shields, storing their rockets in UN schools, private homes, hospitals and mosques and failing to supply air raid shelters for the Gazan civilian population whilst Hamas terrorists shelter in the tunnels they built that could have housed the civilian population.

Have any of your nominated alternative Israeli and Jewish voices – ” Amira Hass and Gideon Levy in Har’aretz, Israel’s human rights organization B’Tselem (http://www.btselem.org), Israeli Committee Against House Demolitions ICAHD (http://www.icahd.org), Breaking the Silence (http://www.breakingthesilence.org.il), Mondoweiss (http://mondoweiss.net/israel-palestine), +972 Magazine (http://972mag.com), not least, IAJV: Independent Australian Jewish Voices (http://iajv99.wordpress.com).

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Comment on A Time to Speak and a Time for Silence … Writes Gil Solomon by randy Rose http://www.jwire.com.au/featured-articles/a-time-to-speak-and-a-time-for-silence-writes-gil-solomon/44689/comment-page-1#comment-98090 Thu, 24 Jul 2014 06:49:26 +0000 http://www.jwire.com.au/?p=44689#comment-98090 Well said, Gil. Israel has always been prevented from defeating its enemies by do-gooders. I suspect it will again.

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Comment on Melbourne community holds outdoor rally by Daren Goldberg http://www.jwire.com.au/news/melbourne-community-holds-outdoor-rally/44537/comment-page-1#comment-97639 Wed, 23 Jul 2014 09:09:20 +0000 http://www.jwire.com.au/?p=44537#comment-97639 “If rockets were to rain on Australian cities and towns, as they have been in Israel, we would expect our government to act. The Government of Israel is justified in taking action to protect its own people.

Fair staement this one… The trouble is if Australia was next door to Palestine, i assure you no rockets would be fired at anyone. Peace means living inside your borders and not tryig to take other countries land by force.

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